How to get Desktop Search to Stop Incrementing OE Compact Check Co

Your identities are in Windows Explorer midway to the OE store folder with
the dbx files.

In OE: Tools | Options | Maintenance | Store Folder will reveal the location
of your Outlook Express files. Write the location down and navigate to it in
Windows Explorer.

In WinXP, Win2K & Win2K3, the OE user files (DBX and WAB) are by default
marked as hidden. To view these files in Windows Explorer, you must enable
Show Hidden Files and Folders under Start | Control Panel | Folder Options
Icon | View, or in Windows Explorer | Tools | Folder Options | View.


It will look something like this:

C:\Documents and Settings\Your User Name\Local Settings\Application
Data\Identities\{Long string of letters and numbers}\Microsoft\Outlook
Express

When you get to the Identities part, there will be a folder for each one.
delete them all.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
No - I did not delete any OE identities. I don't know how to do that, or
even what they are! They seem to be akin to users, but they're not
really -
I can see that.

Can you give me pointers on how to do what you're suggesting?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Nothing is jumping out at me, but did you delete all OE identities? And
then
delete the dbx files in the one and only OE identity that will be created
automatically?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
Go here (http://screencast.com/t/bNVUFs6fOg) for a screenshot of the
choices
for WS Indexing I made through the Control Panel. This screenshot
(http://screencast.com/t/FGNsGCWmAn) shows the filtered Procmon trace
for
any
registry accesses to anything with a path that ends "Compact Check
Count."
It shows two changes to the value: the first is my script that now runs
at
Startup, and which resets the count to zero. The second shows
WindowsSearch.exe setting the value to 1.

Can you spot anything in the definition of what's to be indexed that
might
allow Outlook Express to be included by default or reference, or some
other
non-obvious way?

Thanks.
--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

From what you have provided, I am at a loss for a fix. This is why I
forwarded to OE General. Hoping that someone else can come up with an
idea I
am not ware of. I can say that you are the first I have encountered
that
stopping WDS indexing of OE did not resolve the issue if that in fact
is
the
only program you have that is /touching/ OE.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
A last note to a depressing day:

I removed the Compact Check Count registry entries and renamed
msoe.dll.

After a reboot I found that the registry enries had been recreated
(and
incremented to 1) and that a new, fresh copy of msoe.dll had been
placed
in
the \Program Files\Outlook Express directory. Turns out that
there's
4-5
virgin copies of msoe.dll on the hd, in various places, and some
program
was
smart enough to go find one and copy it in. I'm guessing that that
program
would be Windows Search? Certainly Windows Search is the culprit as
far
as
incrementing the counter goes (at least in my case).

I guess, at the end of the day, I have a better idea for what's
going
on,
but I don't understand why this shoould be happening just now -
(unless
there's been an update to the contrary) nothing much has happened
Windows
Search-wise, that I know of. So why did this start now?

And what's the next step?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

TY. I was searching: .(spam-ugh
--
~Bruce

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Thread history:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...9d4e967028e6c9

Bruce Hagen wrote:
Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were
snipped
so
I
can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in
message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please let
me
know
and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and like
them
I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven by
a
OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being time
to
compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP
SP3.
The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value, and
then
the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've
seen
many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and
quickly
saw
that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2
Outlook
Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked
those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely
from
the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left
checked
there
is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my
userid
(nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by
Windows
Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll post
later
if
that
made any difference.)

Thanks for your help.


--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

I see one identity for my user id. However, that's *not* the identity for
which the check count is being incremented. I have another Windows user
defined (my 5 year old grandson), and it's his identity for which the check
count is incremented, even though I'm the default user that logs on to the
system when it boots he hasn't logged on for probably 6 months or so..

Does that make any sense? And can I delete the identity folder under his
user id as well?

And what the heck *is* an identity, anyway?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Your identities are in Windows Explorer midway to the OE store folder with
the dbx files.

In OE: Tools | Options | Maintenance | Store Folder will reveal the location
of your Outlook Express files. Write the location down and navigate to it in
Windows Explorer.

In WinXP, Win2K & Win2K3, the OE user files (DBX and WAB) are by default
marked as hidden. To view these files in Windows Explorer, you must enable
Show Hidden Files and Folders under Start | Control Panel | Folder Options
Icon | View, or in Windows Explorer | Tools | Folder Options | View.


It will look something like this:

C:\Documents and Settings\Your User Name\Local Settings\Application
Data\Identities\{Long string of letters and numbers}\Microsoft\Outlook
Express

When you get to the Identities part, there will be a folder for each one.
delete them all.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
No - I did not delete any OE identities. I don't know how to do that, or
even what they are! They seem to be akin to users, but they're not
really -
I can see that.

Can you give me pointers on how to do what you're suggesting?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Nothing is jumping out at me, but did you delete all OE identities? And
then
delete the dbx files in the one and only OE identity that will be created
automatically?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
Go here (http://screencast.com/t/bNVUFs6fOg) for a screenshot of the
choices
for WS Indexing I made through the Control Panel. This screenshot
(http://screencast.com/t/FGNsGCWmAn) shows the filtered Procmon trace
for
any
registry accesses to anything with a path that ends "Compact Check
Count."
It shows two changes to the value: the first is my script that now runs
at
Startup, and which resets the count to zero. The second shows
WindowsSearch.exe setting the value to 1.

Can you spot anything in the definition of what's to be indexed that
might
allow Outlook Express to be included by default or reference, or some
other
non-obvious way?

Thanks.
--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

From what you have provided, I am at a loss for a fix. This is why I
forwarded to OE General. Hoping that someone else can come up with an
idea I
am not ware of. I can say that you are the first I have encountered
that
stopping WDS indexing of OE did not resolve the issue if that in fact
is
the
only program you have that is /touching/ OE.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
A last note to a depressing day:

I removed the Compact Check Count registry entries and renamed
msoe.dll.

After a reboot I found that the registry enries had been recreated
(and
incremented to 1) and that a new, fresh copy of msoe.dll had been
placed
in
the \Program Files\Outlook Express directory. Turns out that
there's
4-5
virgin copies of msoe.dll on the hd, in various places, and some
program
was
smart enough to go find one and copy it in. I'm guessing that that
program
would be Windows Search? Certainly Windows Search is the culprit as
far
as
incrementing the counter goes (at least in my case).

I guess, at the end of the day, I have a better idea for what's
going
on,
but I don't understand why this shoould be happening just now -
(unless
there's been an update to the contrary) nothing much has happened
Windows
Search-wise, that I know of. So why did this start now?

And what's the next step?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

TY. I was searching: .(spam-ugh
--
~Bruce

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Thread history:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...9d4e967028e6c9

Bruce Hagen wrote:
Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were
snipped
so
I
can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in
message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please let
me
know
and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and like
them
I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven by
a
OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being time
to
compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP
SP3.
The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value, and
then
the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've
seen
many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and
quickly
saw
that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2
Outlook
Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked
those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely
from
the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left
checked
there
is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my
userid
(nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by
Windows
Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll post
later
if
that
made any difference.)

Thanks for your help.


--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

You said you did not use Outlook Express. Does your grandson? If anyone uses
OE, then deleting the identities is /not/ an option.

An identity is so different users can have their own OE on the same machine.

How to Create and Use Identities in Outlook Express
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=209169
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA



"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
I see one identity for my user id. However, that's *not* the identity for
which the check count is being incremented. I have another Windows user
defined (my 5 year old grandson), and it's his identity for which the
check
count is incremented, even though I'm the default user that logs on to the
system when it boots he hasn't logged on for probably 6 months or so..

Does that make any sense? And can I delete the identity folder under his
user id as well?

And what the heck *is* an identity, anyway?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Your identities are in Windows Explorer midway to the OE store folder
with
the dbx files.

In OE: Tools | Options | Maintenance | Store Folder will reveal the
location
of your Outlook Express files. Write the location down and navigate to it
in
Windows Explorer.

In WinXP, Win2K & Win2K3, the OE user files (DBX and WAB) are by default
marked as hidden. To view these files in Windows Explorer, you must
enable
Show Hidden Files and Folders under Start | Control Panel | Folder
Options
Icon | View, or in Windows Explorer | Tools | Folder Options | View.


It will look something like this:

C:\Documents and Settings\Your User Name\Local Settings\Application
Data\Identities\{Long string of letters and numbers}\Microsoft\Outlook
Express

When you get to the Identities part, there will be a folder for each one.
delete them all.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
No - I did not delete any OE identities. I don't know how to do that,
or
even what they are! They seem to be akin to users, but they're not
really -
I can see that.

Can you give me pointers on how to do what you're suggesting?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Nothing is jumping out at me, but did you delete all OE identities?
And
then
delete the dbx files in the one and only OE identity that will be
created
automatically?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
Go here (http://screencast.com/t/bNVUFs6fOg) for a screenshot of the
choices
for WS Indexing I made through the Control Panel. This screenshot
(http://screencast.com/t/FGNsGCWmAn) shows the filtered Procmon
trace
for
any
registry accesses to anything with a path that ends "Compact Check
Count."
It shows two changes to the value: the first is my script that now
runs
at
Startup, and which resets the count to zero. The second shows
WindowsSearch.exe setting the value to 1.

Can you spot anything in the definition of what's to be indexed that
might
allow Outlook Express to be included by default or reference, or
some
other
non-obvious way?

Thanks.
--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

From what you have provided, I am at a loss for a fix. This is why
I
forwarded to OE General. Hoping that someone else can come up with
an
idea I
am not ware of. I can say that you are the first I have encountered
that
stopping WDS indexing of OE did not resolve the issue if that in
fact
is
the
only program you have that is /touching/ OE.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in
message
...
A last note to a depressing day:

I removed the Compact Check Count registry entries and renamed
msoe.dll.

After a reboot I found that the registry enries had been
recreated
(and
incremented to 1) and that a new, fresh copy of msoe.dll had been
placed
in
the \Program Files\Outlook Express directory. Turns out that
there's
4-5
virgin copies of msoe.dll on the hd, in various places, and some
program
was
smart enough to go find one and copy it in. I'm guessing that
that
program
would be Windows Search? Certainly Windows Search is the culprit
as
far
as
incrementing the counter goes (at least in my case).

I guess, at the end of the day, I have a better idea for what's
going
on,
but I don't understand why this shoould be happening just now -
(unless
there's been an update to the contrary) nothing much has happened
Windows
Search-wise, that I know of. So why did this start now?

And what's the next step?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

TY. I was searching: .(spam-ugh
--
~Bruce

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Thread history:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...9d4e967028e6c9

Bruce Hagen wrote:
Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were
snipped
so
I
can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in
message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please
let
me
know
and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and
like
them
I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven
by
a
OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being
time
to
compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP
SP3.
The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value,
and
then
the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've
seen
many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and
quickly
saw
that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2
Outlook
Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked
those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely
from
the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left
checked
there
is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my
userid
(nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by
Windows
Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll
post
later
if
that
made any difference.)

Thanks for your help.


--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

To the best of my knowledge, my grandson doesn't use OE. However, over the
last couple of years we have isntalled some poorly-written kids games - some
of which caused problems of one sort or another. However, new news: He has
no identity set up (or at least now he doesn't) - I was incorrect. The other
identity (the one that's getting the Compact Check Count incremented) is
associated with a test version of SAP software installed on my PC. I am
loath to change any settings for that S/W - it's brittle enough as is.

It's interesting that after a boot, in the registry it shows that the "Last
User ID" identity is not mine (I'm the default user) it's the other one.

Not sure what all of that means, but I guess at this point I better leave
well enough alone and live with the boot-up script workaround to the problem,
unless you have soem further suggestion.

Thanks for hanging in there with me. I do hate mysteries, but I guess this
one's beyond my mystery-solving abilties.





--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

You said you did not use Outlook Express. Does your grandson? If anyone uses
OE, then deleting the identities is /not/ an option.

An identity is so different users can have their own OE on the same machine.

How to Create and Use Identities in Outlook Express
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=209169
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA



"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
I see one identity for my user id. However, that's *not* the identity for
which the check count is being incremented. I have another Windows user
defined (my 5 year old grandson), and it's his identity for which the
check
count is incremented, even though I'm the default user that logs on to the
system when it boots he hasn't logged on for probably 6 months or so..

Does that make any sense? And can I delete the identity folder under his
user id as well?

And what the heck *is* an identity, anyway?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Your identities are in Windows Explorer midway to the OE store folder
with
the dbx files.

In OE: Tools | Options | Maintenance | Store Folder will reveal the
location
of your Outlook Express files. Write the location down and navigate to it
in
Windows Explorer.

In WinXP, Win2K & Win2K3, the OE user files (DBX and WAB) are by default
marked as hidden. To view these files in Windows Explorer, you must
enable
Show Hidden Files and Folders under Start | Control Panel | Folder
Options
Icon | View, or in Windows Explorer | Tools | Folder Options | View.


It will look something like this:

C:\Documents and Settings\Your User Name\Local Settings\Application
Data\Identities\{Long string of letters and numbers}\Microsoft\Outlook
Express

When you get to the Identities part, there will be a folder for each one.
delete them all.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
No - I did not delete any OE identities. I don't know how to do that,
or
even what they are! They seem to be akin to users, but they're not
really -
I can see that.

Can you give me pointers on how to do what you're suggesting?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Nothing is jumping out at me, but did you delete all OE identities?
And
then
delete the dbx files in the one and only OE identity that will be
created
automatically?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
Go here (http://screencast.com/t/bNVUFs6fOg) for a screenshot of the
choices
for WS Indexing I made through the Control Panel. This screenshot
(http://screencast.com/t/FGNsGCWmAn) shows the filtered Procmon
trace
for
any
registry accesses to anything with a path that ends "Compact Check
Count."
It shows two changes to the value: the first is my script that now
runs
at
Startup, and which resets the count to zero. The second shows
WindowsSearch.exe setting the value to 1.

Can you spot anything in the definition of what's to be indexed that
might
allow Outlook Express to be included by default or reference, or
some
other
non-obvious way?

Thanks.
--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

From what you have provided, I am at a loss for a fix. This is why
I
forwarded to OE General. Hoping that someone else can come up with
an
idea I
am not ware of. I can say that you are the first I have encountered
that
stopping WDS indexing of OE did not resolve the issue if that in
fact
is
the
only program you have that is /touching/ OE.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in
message
...
A last note to a depressing day:

I removed the Compact Check Count registry entries and renamed
msoe.dll.

After a reboot I found that the registry enries had been
recreated
(and
incremented to 1) and that a new, fresh copy of msoe.dll had been
placed
in
the \Program Files\Outlook Express directory. Turns out that
there's
4-5
virgin copies of msoe.dll on the hd, in various places, and some
program
was
smart enough to go find one and copy it in. I'm guessing that
that
program
would be Windows Search? Certainly Windows Search is the culprit
as
far
as
incrementing the counter goes (at least in my case).

I guess, at the end of the day, I have a better idea for what's
going
on,
but I don't understand why this shoould be happening just now -
(unless
there's been an update to the contrary) nothing much has happened
Windows
Search-wise, that I know of. So why did this start now?

And what's the next step?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

TY. I was searching: .(spam-ugh
--
~Bruce

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Thread history:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...9d4e967028e6c9

Bruce Hagen wrote:
Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were
snipped
so
I
can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in
message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please
let
me
know
and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and
like
them
I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven
by
a
OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being
time
to
compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP
SP3.
The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value,
and
then
the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've
seen
many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and
quickly
saw
that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2
Outlook
Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked
those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely
from
the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left
checked
there
is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my
userid
(nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by
Windows
Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll
post
later
if
that
made any difference.)

Thanks for your help.


--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

And this SAP software would be? Is it a beta?

Have you uninstalled Windows Search 4 yet?


Dave Jenkins wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, my grandson doesn't use OE. However, over
the
last couple of years we have isntalled some poorly-written kids games -
some
of which caused problems of one sort or another. However, new news: He
has
no identity set up (or at least now he doesn't) - I was incorrect. The
other identity (the one that's getting the Compact Check Count
incremented)
is associated with a test version of SAP software installed on my PC. I
am
loath to change any settings for that S/W - it's brittle enough as is.

It's interesting that after a boot, in the registry it shows that the
"Last
User ID" identity is not mine (I'm the default user) it's the other one.

Not sure what all of that means, but I guess at this point I better leave
well enough alone and live with the boot-up script workaround to the
problem, unless you have soem further suggestion.

Thanks for hanging in there with me. I do hate mysteries, but I guess
this
one's beyond my mystery-solving abilties.

You said you did not use Outlook Express. Does your grandson? If anyone
uses OE, then deleting the identities is /not/ an option.

An identity is so different users can have their own OE on the same
machine.

How to Create and Use Identities in Outlook Express
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=209169
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA



"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
I see one identity for my user id. However, that's *not* the identity
for
which the check count is being incremented. I have another Windows user
defined (my 5 year old grandson), and it's his identity for which the
check
count is incremented, even though I'm the default user that logs on to
the
system when it boots he hasn't logged on for probably 6 months or so..

Does that make any sense? And can I delete the identity folder under
his
user id as well?

And what the heck *is* an identity, anyway?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Your identities are in Windows Explorer midway to the OE store folder
with
the dbx files.

In OE: Tools | Options | Maintenance | Store Folder will reveal the
location
of your Outlook Express files. Write the location down and navigate to
it
in
Windows Explorer.

In WinXP, Win2K & Win2K3, the OE user files (DBX and WAB) are by
default
marked as hidden. To view these files in Windows Explorer, you must
enable
Show Hidden Files and Folders under Start | Control Panel | Folder
Options
Icon | View, or in Windows Explorer | Tools | Folder Options | View.


It will look something like this:

C:\Documents and Settings\Your User Name\Local Settings\Application
Data\Identities\{Long string of letters and numbers}\Microsoft\Outlook
Express

When you get to the Identities part, there will be a folder for each
one.
delete them all.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
No - I did not delete any OE identities. I don't know how to do that,
or
even what they are! They seem to be akin to users, but they're not
really -
I can see that.

Can you give me pointers on how to do what you're suggesting?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Nothing is jumping out at me, but did you delete all OE identities?
And
then
delete the dbx files in the one and only OE identity that will be
created
automatically?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
Go here (http://screencast.com/t/bNVUFs6fOg) for a screenshot of the
choices
for WS Indexing I made through the Control Panel. This screenshot
(http://screencast.com/t/FGNsGCWmAn) shows the filtered Procmon
trace
for
any
registry accesses to anything with a path that ends "Compact Check
Count."
It shows two changes to the value: the first is my script that now
runs
at
Startup, and which resets the count to zero. The second shows
WindowsSearch.exe setting the value to 1.

Can you spot anything in the definition of what's to be indexed that
might
allow Outlook Express to be included by default or reference, or
some
other
non-obvious way?

Thanks.
--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

From what you have provided, I am at a loss for a fix. This is why
I
forwarded to OE General. Hoping that someone else can come up with
an
idea I
am not ware of. I can say that you are the first I have encountered
that
stopping WDS indexing of OE did not resolve the issue if that in
fact
is
the
only program you have that is /touching/ OE.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in
message
...
A last note to a depressing day:

I removed the Compact Check Count registry entries and renamed
msoe.dll.

After a reboot I found that the registry enries had been
recreated
(and
incremented to 1) and that a new, fresh copy of msoe.dll had been
placed
in
the \Program Files\Outlook Express directory. Turns out that
there's
4-5
virgin copies of msoe.dll on the hd, in various places, and some
program
was
smart enough to go find one and copy it in. I'm guessing that
that
program
would be Windows Search? Certainly Windows Search is the culprit
as
far
as
incrementing the counter goes (at least in my case).

I guess, at the end of the day, I have a better idea for what's
going
on,
but I don't understand why this shoould be happening just now -
(unless
there's been an update to the contrary) nothing much has happened
Windows
Search-wise, that I know of. So why did this start now?

And what's the next step?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

TY. I was searching: .(spam-ugh
--
~Bruce

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Thread history:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...9d4e967028e6c9

Bruce Hagen wrote:
Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were
snipped
so
I
can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in
message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please
let
me
know
and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and
like
them
I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven
by
a
OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being
time
to
compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP
SP3.
The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value,
and
then
the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've
seen
many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and
quickly
saw
that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2
Outlook
Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked
those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely
from
the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left
checked
there
is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my
userid
(nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by
Windows
Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll
post
later
if
that
made any difference.)

Thanks for your help.


--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

SAP NetWeaver 7.0. Not a Beta.

Uninstalling Windows Search would be like sending my car to the junkyard
because it's got a squeak. I can learn to live with the squeak, but I'd
still be interested in eliminating it.

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

And this SAP software would be? Is it a beta?

Have you uninstalled Windows Search 4 yet?


[snip]

Windows Search is more akin to the "go faster stripes" on a car.
Totally unnecessary bells and whistles, which do nothing to enhance
performance..

You certainly don't need to take the "car" to the junk yard, just
because Windows Search 4.0 is causing problems. Get rid of the "go
faster stripes" instead.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
SAP NetWeaver 7.0. Not a Beta.

Uninstalling Windows Search would be like sending my car to the
junkyard
because it's got a squeak. I can learn to live with the squeak, but
I'd
still be interested in eliminating it.

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

And this SAP software would be? Is it a beta?

Have you uninstalled Windows Search 4 yet?


[snip]

[Please stop with the snips already! Jeez...]

Is NetWeaver used to create and/or send email messages? What's the
machine's default Mail Client?

Windows Search may be causing the behavior. You can only determine if it is
by uninstalling it. If the behavior persists after the uninstall, you know
it wasn't the cause and can reinstall it if you wish (and make sure that
it's not monitoring any OE identities, DBX files, EML files, and WAB files.

Or you can resign yourself to live with the incessant Compact prompts and
we'll drop the whole thing.

NB: If you refuse to uninstall Windows Search as a test, none of us will
offer any further assistance, Dave.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Dave Jenkins wrote:
SAP NetWeaver 7.0. Not a Beta.

Uninstalling Windows Search would be like sending my car to the junkyard
because it's got a squeak. I can learn to live with the squeak, but I'd
still be interested in eliminating it.

And this SAP software would be? Is it a beta?

Have you uninstalled Windows Search 4 yet?


[snip]

"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message ...
A last note to a depressing day:


I removed the Compact Check Count registry entries and renamed msoe.dll.


Not clear why you did that?



After a reboot I found that the registry enries had been recreated (and
incremented to 1) and that a new, fresh copy of msoe.dll had been placed in
the \Program Files\Outlook Express directory. Turns out that there's 4-5
virgin copies of msoe.dll on the hd, in various places, and some program was
smart enough to go find one and copy it in.

I'm guessing that that program would be Windows Search?


Was one of the "various places" %windir%\System32\dllcache ?
If so, XP's WFP feature would likely restore a missing file to its proper location.

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/archive/wfp.mspx


Certainly Windows Search is the culprit as far as
incrementing the counter goes (at least in my case).

I guess, at the end of the day, I have a better idea for what's going on,
but I don't understand why this shoould be happening just now - (unless
there's been an update to the contrary) nothing much has happened Windows
Search-wise, that I know of. So why did this start now?


What do you use WS for? E.g. what File Types and how are they indexed?
In particular how are extensions .eml and .nws treated? Then, do you have
any instances of those file types in any of the locations you are indexing?
Then, how are those file types opened when you find them? E.g. if msimn.exe
starts and the message opens in an OE message window you would have your answer.



And what's the next step?


It might be sufficient to disassociate .eml and .nws from OE.

Switch to a cmd window and tell us what you get from the following commands:

assoc .eml
then
assoc .nws
then
ftype | find "Message"


FWIW here is what I get when I do that:

cmd_output OS="XPsp3"
E:\assoc .eml
..eml=Microsoft Internet Mail Message

E:\assoc .nws
..nws=Microsoft Internet News Message

E:\ftype | find "Message"
Microsoft Internet Mail Message="F:\Program Files\Windows Live\Mail\wlmail.exe" /eml:%1
Microsoft Internet News Message="F:\Program Files\Windows Live\Mail\wlmail.exe" /nws:%1
cmd_output

Hmm... I recently reinstalled WL Beta (all programs). ; )
I'm guessing you will see some different results...

BTW if you want to see *why* WS is incrementing that registry value
in your ProcMon trace you are going to have to change your filter
to allow it to show some *context* for the events that you have captured.
E.g. try changing your filter to: Process Name is WindowsSearch.exe
or msimn.exe (i.e., filter for both but obviously not in the same record)
and put a highlight on that registry value you are interested in.


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
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