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Old October 19th 08, 07:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop,microsoft.public.windows.live.messenger
Bob Lucas
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Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the Microsoft
MVP Awardee directory contains a listing of all MVPs that want to share
information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the search
engine produced the following response "No results were found for your
search criteria".

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Old October 19th 08, 07:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop,microsoft.public.windows.live.messenger
philo
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"Bob Lucas" wrote in message
...

Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the Microsoft
MVP Awardee directory contains a listing of all MVPs that want to share
information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the search
engine produced the following response "No results were found for your
search criteria".



Not all MVP's want to share their information publicly


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Old October 19th 08, 07:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop,microsoft.public.windows.live.messenger
Bruce Hagen
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"Bob Lucas" wrote in message
...

Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the Microsoft MVP
Awardee directory contains a listing of all MVPs that want to share
information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the search
engine produced the following response "No results were found for your
search criteria".



What do you get for me? It should come up empty as I do not have my profile
public, but other MVPs can access it.

On occasion, you may see a troll impersonating an MVP.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA

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Old October 19th 08, 09:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop,microsoft.public.windows.live.messenger
The Real Truth MVP
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There is none.

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"Bob Lucas" wrote in message
...

Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the Microsoft MVP
Awardee directory contains a listing of all MVPs that want to share
information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the search
engine produced the following response "No results were found for your
search criteria".


  #5  
Old October 19th 08, 09:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop,microsoft.public.windows.live.messenger
PA Bear [MS MVP]
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This a**hole is NOT an MVP!

The Real Truth MVP wrote:
There is none.

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Old October 19th 08, 10:42 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop,microsoft.public.windows.live.messenger
db.·.. >
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respectfully pabear:

he (or she not really sure)
doesn't claim to be
associated to microsoft
nor does microsoft have
a copy right on mvp:

takee a lookee heer:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mvp?r=75

he is for all practical
purposes a
most valuable player
in the newsgroup games.


--

db·´¯`·...¸)))º

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message ...
This a**hole is NOT an MVP!

The Real Truth MVP wrote:
There is none.


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Old October 20th 08, 02:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Bob Lucas wrote:

Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the Microsoft
MVP Awardee directory contains a listing of all MVPs that want to share
information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the search
engine produced the following response "No results were found for your
search criteria".


Some MVPs claim they don't want their private information published in a
public place. That doesn't preclude that they are *listed* as an MVP.
If an MVP doesn't have themself published in the MVP lists (and which
does NOT require any public disclosure of their personal info) then I
don't consider them an MVP. If you want to check on the credentials of
a cert that an employee claims to have, you check with the issuer to
find out if that cert was actually ever awarded to that person. If
someone claims they are an expert in some profession, they must provide
proof of such. Lack of proof means lack of expertise. I'm not allowed
to claim that I'm a doctor, cop, or any other professional without
having traceable credentials. To me, if they can't prove that they were
elected by other MVPs to become themself an MVP then I'm not going to
believe them just because they say so.

If an MVP wants to hide, consider why they want to hide. They don't
need to give out their street address, phone number, or any private
information. Obviously if they want to have an identity as an MVP then
*something* of them must be made public. If an MVP wants to hide from
the public but only let other MVPs know about their MVP status then let
them hide inside an MVP-only forum or MVP-only mailing list. If they
don't want to be public then don't claim to be an MVP in public.

If someone says they are an MVP but if the public can't verify that
status and if the one claiming to be an MVP can prove their status then
they aren't an MVP. Anyone can claim anything they want in the Usenet
anarchy. Hiding MVPs dilute the status and potence of the MVP title.
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Old October 20th 08, 02:58 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
VanguardLH[_2_]
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PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

This a**hole is NOT an MVP!

The Real Truth MVP wrote:
There is none.


Ah yes, very true, but then the status of MVP has been diluted by real
MVPs that choose to hide. You can't check on their credentials because
they chose to hide. Gee, would you trust a doctor, dentist, or any
other self-claimed professional whose credentials you could not certify?
That MVPs can hide so their credentials are not public (which has
nothing to do with divulging private information) pretty much renders
the who concept worthless. Anyone could claim they are an MVP, like
Patricia here claiming to be one (after nymshifting away from her
pcbutts1 moniker). You don't need to go ego-stroking your status to
announce your MVP status to other MVPs. That ego-stroking is to
announce yourself to non-MVPs in a newsgroup (i.e., to the general
populace that visit there). To the public, if your self-claimed MVP
credentials cannot be traced to those that provide that certification
then you don't have those credentials as far as the public is concerned.
Unless the status of MVP is traceable, it means nothing.

I've looked at mvps.org. Didn't find anyone named "Bear" there. Looked
at https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx. There are
couple of "bear" names with that substring but nothing that would match
on the "pa" part of your moniker. So just how *we* non-MVPs visiting
the newsgroups know YOU aren't yet another troll pretending to be an
MVP? We can't so the claim to be an MVP cannot be verified which means
the MVP title is not only worthless but possibly deliberately
misleading. Is there yet some other MVP credentials list for checking
on whether or not someone who claims to be an MVP can actually be
verified to be an MVP?
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Old October 20th 08, 04:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Mike Hall - MVP[_3_]
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Bob Lucas wrote:

Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the Microsoft
MVP Awardee directory contains a listing of all MVPs that want to share
information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the search
engine produced the following response "No results were found for your
search criteria".


Some MVPs claim they don't want their private information published in a
public place. That doesn't preclude that they are *listed* as an MVP.
If an MVP doesn't have themself published in the MVP lists (and which
does NOT require any public disclosure of their personal info) then I
don't consider them an MVP. If you want to check on the credentials of
a cert that an employee claims to have, you check with the issuer to
find out if that cert was actually ever awarded to that person. If
someone claims they are an expert in some profession, they must provide
proof of such. Lack of proof means lack of expertise. I'm not allowed
to claim that I'm a doctor, cop, or any other professional without
having traceable credentials. To me, if they can't prove that they were
elected by other MVPs to become themself an MVP then I'm not going to
believe them just because they say so.

If an MVP wants to hide, consider why they want to hide. They don't
need to give out their street address, phone number, or any private
information. Obviously if they want to have an identity as an MVP then
*something* of them must be made public. If an MVP wants to hide from
the public but only let other MVPs know about their MVP status then let
them hide inside an MVP-only forum or MVP-only mailing list. If they
don't want to be public then don't claim to be an MVP in public.

If someone says they are an MVP but if the public can't verify that
status and if the one claiming to be an MVP can prove their status then
they aren't an MVP. Anyone can claim anything they want in the Usenet
anarchy. Hiding MVPs dilute the status and potence of the MVP title.



You have it all worked out, eh.

Some may not be public because their employers might think that they would
possibly do free work in works time.

Some employers may consider the MVP award status to be in competition with
what the company does/supplies.

Some MVPs may not be in a position politically.

PCButts is a wannabe..

--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx




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Old October 20th 08, 06:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.windows.live.messenger,microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
nass [MVP]
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Hi, my name nass.
I am a NEW [MVP], and so happy.
I am over the sun with happinesas, and so is my business.
Business is booming; I have lot specialos
I choose to hide my name on that list, as I am shy.
--
HTH
nass
---
http://www.nasstec.co.uk



"Bob Lucas" wrote:


Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the Microsoft
MVP Awardee directory contains a listing of all MVPs that want to share
information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the search
engine produced the following response "No results were found for your
search criteria".


  #11  
Old October 20th 08, 07:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.windows.live.messenger,microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
D. Spencer Hines[_2_]
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G
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DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"nass [MVP]" wrote in message
...

Hi, my name nass.
I am a NEW [MVP], and so happy.
I am over the sun with happinesas, and so is my business.
Business is booming; I have lot specialos
I choose to hide my name on that list, as I am shy.
--
HTH
nass
---
http://www.nasstec.co.uk

"Bob Lucas" wrote:

Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation
MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the
Microsoft MVP Awardee directory contains a listing of all
MVPs that want to share information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the
search engine produced the following response "No results were
found for your search criteria".



  #12  
Old October 20th 08, 09:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bob Lucas
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"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...
"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Bob Lucas wrote:

Are there any special rules governing the use of the designation
MS-MVP?

I ask the question because, according to the page at
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx, the
Microsoft
MVP Awardee directory contains a listing of all MVPs that want to
share
information publicly.

However, when I conducted advanced searches against the names of
contributors to several newsgroups (who claim to be MVPs), the
search
engine produced the following response "No results were found for
your
search criteria".


Some MVPs claim they don't want their private information published
in a
public place. That doesn't preclude that they are *listed* as an
MVP.
If an MVP doesn't have themself published in the MVP lists (and which
does NOT require any public disclosure of their personal info) then I
don't consider them an MVP. If you want to check on the credentials
of
a cert that an employee claims to have, you check with the issuer to
find out if that cert was actually ever awarded to that person. If
someone claims they are an expert in some profession, they must
provide
proof of such. Lack of proof means lack of expertise. I'm not
allowed
to claim that I'm a doctor, cop, or any other professional without
having traceable credentials. To me, if they can't prove that they
were
elected by other MVPs to become themself an MVP then I'm not going to
believe them just because they say so.

If an MVP wants to hide, consider why they want to hide. They don't
need to give out their street address, phone number, or any private
information. Obviously if they want to have an identity as an MVP
then
*something* of them must be made public. If an MVP wants to hide
from
the public but only let other MVPs know about their MVP status then
let
them hide inside an MVP-only forum or MVP-only mailing list. If they
don't want to be public then don't claim to be an MVP in public.

If someone says they are an MVP but if the public can't verify that
status and if the one claiming to be an MVP can prove their status
then
they aren't an MVP. Anyone can claim anything they want in the
Usenet
anarchy. Hiding MVPs dilute the status and potence of the MVP title.



You have it all worked out, eh.

Some may not be public because their employers might think that they
would possibly do free work in works time.

Some employers may consider the MVP award status to be in competition
with what the company does/supplies.

Some MVPs may not be in a position politically.

PCButts is a wannabe..

--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx






Those are valid reasons for claiming anonymity.

However, I still believe that if a contributor to a newsgroup claims to
be an MVP, other contributors should be able to verify that appellation
(in the same way that members of the public can check the credentials of
doctors, dentists, lawyers, etc.)

MVPs provide a valuable service - and I am not decrying their expertise
and willingness to help. However, many non-MVPs also offer useful
contributions.

If an MVP does not want his name to appear on a public register, there
is nothing to prevent him/her from posting to newsgroups without
claiming membership of the MVP community. Regular newsgroup users will
have little difficulty forming an opinion about those contributors, who
have provided reliable contributions over a period of time.

The real danger comes from people who claim to be MVPs (which implies
special expertise and a willingness to help) - but are impostors.

Consequently, MVPs should be prepared to allow their names to appear on
a public register - OR refrain from using the MVP suffix when they post
to newsgroups.

  #13  
Old October 20th 08, 01:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.windows.live.messenger,microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
Leonard Grey[_3_]
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BOHICA
---
Leonard Grey
Errare Humanum Est

nass [MVP] wrote:
Hi, my name nass.
I am a NEW [MVP], and so happy.
I am over the sun with happinesas, and so is my business.
Business is booming; I have lot specialos
I choose to hide my name on that list, as I am shy.

  #14  
Old October 20th 08, 02:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Mick Murphy
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Feeling OK?? Want an aspirin?
--
Bad Mike

"Leonard Grey " wrote

BOHICA
---
Leonard Grey
Errare Humanum Est

nass [MVP] wrote:
Hi, my name nass.
I am a NEW [MVP], and so happy.
I am over the sun with happinesas, and so is my business.
Business is booming; I have lot specialos
I choose to hide my name on that list, as I am shy.

  #15  
Old October 20th 08, 02:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Mike Hall - MVP[_3_]
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..

Consequently, MVPs should be prepared to allow their names to appear on
a public register - OR refrain from using the MVP suffix when they post
to newsgroups.



Is that what you would do?


--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default...help&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx




 




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