How to get Desktop Search to Stop Incrementing OE Compact Check Co

TY. I was searching: .(spam-ugh
--
~Bruce

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Thread history:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...9d4e967028e6c9

Bruce Hagen wrote:
Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were snipped so
I
can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please let me know
and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and like them I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven by a OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being time to compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP SP3. The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value, and then the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've seen many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and quickly saw
that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2 Outlook
Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely from the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left checked there
is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my userid
(nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by Windows
Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll post later if
that
made any difference.)

Thanks for your help.


--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

So, just kind of recapping he

We're at a dead end? We know who the culprit is (Windows Desktop Search)
and we know that it's not being explicitly told to index OE files. We know
that the only .dbx files remaining are skeleton ones, but we don't know why
they got created? And we know that I don't have Nero Scout, MailWashing,
RAKDLL.DLL, etc. installed.

I'm going to try renaming the registry entry as has been reported elsewhere,
but I believe that I may have tried it before and it got recreated, though.

In the meantime, I've gone to Windows Search, but after the install reboot,
the count was incremented yet once again.

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were snipped so I
can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please let me know and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and like them I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven by a OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being time to compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP SP3. The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value, and then the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've seen many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and quickly saw that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2 Outlook Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely from the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left checked there is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my userid (nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by Windows Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll post later if
that
made any difference.)

Thanks for your help.


--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

I apologise for the typographical error.

I should have suggested uninstalling Windows Search. It is no longer on
my machine - but from memory, I believe "Add or Remove Programs" listed
it was Windows Search, version 4.0.


"PA Bear [MS-MVP]" wrote in message
...
NB: Windows (Desktop) Search and Windows Live Search are NOT the same
thing!

On Nov 21, 3:29 pm, "Bob Lucas" wrote:
SNIP
Do you really need the new style search facility? If not, go to
Control
Panel and click on Add or Remove Programs.

Scroll down and remove Windows Live Search.

Your version of Win XP will revert to the old style search function -
which has always worked well

A last note to a depressing day:

I removed the Compact Check Count registry entries and renamed msoe.dll.

After a reboot I found that the registry enries had been recreated (and
incremented to 1) and that a new, fresh copy of msoe.dll had been placed in
the \Program Files\Outlook Express directory. Turns out that there's 4-5
virgin copies of msoe.dll on the hd, in various places, and some program was
smart enough to go find one and copy it in. I'm guessing that that program
would be Windows Search? Certainly Windows Search is the culprit as far as
incrementing the counter goes (at least in my case).

I guess, at the end of the day, I have a better idea for what's going on,
but I don't understand why this shoould be happening just now - (unless
there's been an update to the contrary) nothing much has happened Windows
Search-wise, that I know of. So why did this start now?

And what's the next step?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

TY. I was searching: .(spam-ugh
--
~Bruce

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Thread history:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...9d4e967028e6c9

Bruce Hagen wrote:
Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were snipped so
I
can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please let me know
and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and like them I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven by a OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being time to compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP SP3. The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value, and then the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've seen many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and quickly saw
that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2 Outlook
Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely from the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left checked there
is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my userid
(nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by Windows
Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll post later if
that
made any difference.)

Thanks for your help.


--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

In the meantime, I've gone to Windows Search, but after the [initial?]
reboot,
the count was incremented yet once again.

One or more options/settings in an ever-growing number of third-party
applications may be disallowing the change(s) from "sticking". These include
but are not limited to Ad-aware Pro Ad-Watch, Spybot Tea Timer,
SpywareBlaster, SpySweeper, Spyware Doctor, CounterSpy, AVG Anti-Spyware,
Norton AntiVirus, McAfee VirusScan and/or Antispyware, NOD32, and Zone Alarm
(Free, Pro, & Security Suite).

And if any of the real-time protections above were running in the background
when you installed WinXP SP3, you've probably got worse problems.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Dave Jenkins wrote:
So, just kind of recapping he

We're at a dead end? We know who the culprit is (Windows Desktop Search)
and we know that it's not being explicitly told to index OE files. We
know
that the only .dbx files remaining are skeleton ones, but we don't know
why
they got created? And we know that I don't have Nero Scout, MailWashing,
RAKDLL.DLL, etc. installed.

I'm going to try renaming the registry entry as has been reported
elsewhere,
but I believe that I may have tried it before and it got recreated,
though.

In the meantime, I've gone to Windows Search, but after the install
reboot,
the count was incremented yet once again.


Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were snipped so
I
can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please let me know
and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and like them I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven by a OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being time to compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP SP3. The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value, and then the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've seen many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and quickly saw
that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2 Outlook
Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely from the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left checked there
is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my userid
(nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by Windows
Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll post later if
that
made any difference.)

Thanks for your help.


--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

From what you have provided, I am at a loss for a fix. This is why I
forwarded to OE General. Hoping that someone else can come up with an idea I
am not ware of. I can say that you are the first I have encountered that
stopping WDS indexing of OE did not resolve the issue if that in fact is the
only program you have that is /touching/ OE.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
A last note to a depressing day:

I removed the Compact Check Count registry entries and renamed msoe.dll.

After a reboot I found that the registry enries had been recreated (and
incremented to 1) and that a new, fresh copy of msoe.dll had been placed
in
the \Program Files\Outlook Express directory. Turns out that there's 4-5
virgin copies of msoe.dll on the hd, in various places, and some program
was
smart enough to go find one and copy it in. I'm guessing that that
program
would be Windows Search? Certainly Windows Search is the culprit as far
as
incrementing the counter goes (at least in my case).

I guess, at the end of the day, I have a better idea for what's going on,
but I don't understand why this shoould be happening just now - (unless
there's been an update to the contrary) nothing much has happened Windows
Search-wise, that I know of. So why did this start now?

And what's the next step?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

TY. I was searching: .(spam-ugh
--
~Bruce

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Thread history:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...9d4e967028e6c9

Bruce Hagen wrote:
Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were snipped
so
I
can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please let me know
and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and like them
I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven by a OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being time to
compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP SP3. The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value, and then
the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've seen
many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and quickly saw
that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2 Outlook
Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely from the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left checked
there
is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my userid
(nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by Windows
Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll post later
if
that
made any difference.)

Thanks for your help.


--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

I've had XP3 installed for a long time - maybe 10 months? Long enough to
forget the circumstances surrounding its installation. I do know that it was
fairly uneventful. But haven't the foggiest notion of whther McAfee was
running at the time.

I haven't had any other strange problems happening (that I know about). I
guess I'll just have to live with it.

But doesn't it seem obvious that if Windows Search is jiggering with
directory entries for OE, and the user isn't using OE, that WIndows Search
could make some sort of a test and refrain from making the registry change in
certain cases?

And what kind of a procedure is it that unilaterally reinstalls msoe.dll,
when a copy of the dll is not available in the Oultook Express directory?
Shouldn't it at least ask?

It seems like a lot of fingers are being pointed away from the true culprit
here. Just sayin'.

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

In the meantime, I've gone to Windows Search, but after the [initial?]
reboot,
the count was incremented yet once again.

One or more options/settings in an ever-growing number of third-party
applications may be disallowing the change(s) from "sticking". These include
but are not limited to Ad-aware Pro Ad-Watch, Spybot Tea Timer,
SpywareBlaster, SpySweeper, Spyware Doctor, CounterSpy, AVG Anti-Spyware,
Norton AntiVirus, McAfee VirusScan and/or Antispyware, NOD32, and Zone Alarm
(Free, Pro, & Security Suite).

And if any of the real-time protections above were running in the background
when you installed WinXP SP3, you've probably got worse problems.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Dave Jenkins wrote:
So, just kind of recapping he

We're at a dead end? We know who the culprit is (Windows Desktop Search)
and we know that it's not being explicitly told to index OE files. We
know
that the only .dbx files remaining are skeleton ones, but we don't know
why
they got created? And we know that I don't have Nero Scout, MailWashing,
RAKDLL.DLL, etc. installed.

I'm going to try renaming the registry entry as has been reported
elsewhere,
but I believe that I may have tried it before and it got recreated,
though.

In the meantime, I've gone to Windows Search, but after the install
reboot,
the count was incremented yet once again.


Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were snipped so
I
can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please let me know
and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and like them I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven by a OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being time to compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP SP3. The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value, and then the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've seen many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and quickly saw
that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2 Outlook
Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely from the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left checked there
is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my userid
(nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by Windows
Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll post later if
that
made any difference.)

Thanks for your help.


--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

Tell WDS not to index the OE files.

Windows automatically reinstalls files it considers essention, like
msoe.dll.

"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
I've had XP3 installed for a long time - maybe 10 months? Long enough to
forget the circumstances surrounding its installation. I do know that it
was
fairly uneventful. But haven't the foggiest notion of whther McAfee was
running at the time.

I haven't had any other strange problems happening (that I know about). I
guess I'll just have to live with it.

But doesn't it seem obvious that if Windows Search is jiggering with
directory entries for OE, and the user isn't using OE, that WIndows Search
could make some sort of a test and refrain from making the registry change
in
certain cases?

And what kind of a procedure is it that unilaterally reinstalls msoe.dll,
when a copy of the dll is not available in the Oultook Express directory?
Shouldn't it at least ask?

It seems like a lot of fingers are being pointed away from the true
culprit
here. Just sayin'.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

In the meantime, I've gone to Windows Search, but after the [initial?]
reboot,
the count was incremented yet once again.

One or more options/settings in an ever-growing number of third-party
applications may be disallowing the change(s) from "sticking". These
include
but are not limited to Ad-aware Pro Ad-Watch, Spybot Tea Timer,
SpywareBlaster, SpySweeper, Spyware Doctor, CounterSpy, AVG Anti-Spyware,
Norton AntiVirus, McAfee VirusScan and/or Antispyware, NOD32, and Zone
Alarm
(Free, Pro, & Security Suite).

And if any of the real-time protections above were running in the
background
when you installed WinXP SP3, you've probably got worse problems.

Dave Jenkins wrote:
So, just kind of recapping he

We're at a dead end? We know who the culprit is (Windows Desktop
Search)
and we know that it's not being explicitly told to index OE files. We
know
that the only .dbx files remaining are skeleton ones, but we don't know
why
they got created? And we know that I don't have Nero Scout,
MailWashing,
RAKDLL.DLL, etc. installed.

I'm going to try renaming the registry entry as has been reported
elsewhere,
but I believe that I may have tried it before and it got recreated,
though.

In the meantime, I've gone to Windows Search, but after the install
reboot,
the count was incremented yet once again.


Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were snipped
so
I
can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please let me know
and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and like them
I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven by a OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being time to
compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP SP3. The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value, and then
the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've seen
many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and quickly saw
that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2 Outlook
Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely from the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left checked
there
is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my userid
(nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by Windows
Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll post later
if
that
made any difference.)

Thanks for your help.

Repost link to entire thread history:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...9d4e967028e6c9

I'll give you my version of Bruce's earlier post/explanation. It's helped
the vast majority of other users who have encountered the behavior...

canned
See this June 2008 discussion about this WinXP SP3-specific problem:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...d35fbfa457fd6f

For reference, here's a current list of items known to cause this behavior
(which is NOT being seen by the vast majority of OE users) in "most often
seen" order

• Nero plug-in(s) including Nero Scout [1];
• Windows (Desktop) Search is installed
[FIX: Uninstall the application or CONTROL PANEL | INDEXING OPTIONS |
MODIFY | Clear the check box for Outlook Express (i.e., EML, NWS, & DBX
files)];
• IBM Rapid Access keyboard (driver) RAKDLL.DLL;
• Windows Live Mail is or had been installed;
• Various & sundry anti-virus applications (including Norton & McAfee);
• Various & sundry anti-spyware applications;
• Various & sundry third-party firewalls;
• Any/all of the above running when WinXP SP3 was installed;
• Disk defragmentation, need for;
• Using Visual Basic DoCmd.SendObject command to create an email;
• Using any number third-party applications (e.g., accounting software;
FileMaker 6) to send emails by via Outlook Express;
• MailWasher; and/or
• Programatically opening EML files while OE is closed (e.g., creating a
New Message via Address Book).

===============
[1] IN RE Nero Scout, see Item 2.3 on page 8 he
ftp://ftp6.nero.com/user_guides/nero...oScout_Enu.pdf

Also see http://www.nero.com/eng/support-faq.html?s=sub&t=Scout
/canned

And what kind of a procedure is it that unilaterally reinstalls msoe.dll,
when a copy of the dll is not available in the Oultook Express directory?
Shouldn't it at least ask?

Like IE, OE is part and parcel of WinXP. While you can remove access to
either or both of them, you cannot literally remove them: They're protected
system files and will be replaced when you reboot if deleted.

Neither Bruce nor I recommended or suggested renaming or doing anything else
to MSOE.DLL. Neither of us recommended or suggested deleting anything in
the Registry. [cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...1f76e7cf317c7]

Best of luck tracking down the cause of the behavior (e.g., uninstalling
Windows Search v4.x).
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Dave Jenkins wrote:
I've had XP3 installed for a long time - maybe 10 months? Long enough to
forget the circumstances surrounding its installation. I do know that it
was fairly uneventful. But haven't the foggiest notion of whther McAfee
was
running at the time.

I haven't had any other strange problems happening (that I know about). I
guess I'll just have to live with it.

But doesn't it seem obvious that if Windows Search is jiggering with
directory entries for OE, and the user isn't using OE, that WIndows Search
could make some sort of a test and refrain from making the registry change
in certain cases?

And what kind of a procedure is it that unilaterally reinstalls msoe.dll,
when a copy of the dll is not available in the Oultook Express directory?
Shouldn't it at least ask?

It seems like a lot of fingers are being pointed away from the true
culprit
here. Just sayin'.


In the meantime, I've gone to Windows Search, but after the [initial?]
reboot,
the count was incremented yet once again.

One or more options/settings in an ever-growing number of third-party
applications may be disallowing the change(s) from "sticking". These
include but are not limited to Ad-aware Pro Ad-Watch, Spybot Tea Timer,
SpywareBlaster, SpySweeper, Spyware Doctor, CounterSpy, AVG Anti-Spyware,
Norton AntiVirus, McAfee VirusScan and/or Antispyware, NOD32, and Zone
Alarm (Free, Pro, & Security Suite).

And if any of the real-time protections above were running in the
background when you installed WinXP SP3, you've probably got worse
problems.

Dave Jenkins wrote:
So, just kind of recapping he

We're at a dead end? We know who the culprit is (Windows Desktop
Search)
and we know that it's not being explicitly told to index OE files. We
know
that the only .dbx files remaining are skeleton ones, but we don't know
why
they got created? And we know that I don't have Nero Scout,
MailWashing,
RAKDLL.DLL, etc. installed.

I'm going to try renaming the registry entry as has been reported
elsewhere,
but I believe that I may have tried it before and it got recreated,
though.

In the meantime, I've gone to Windows Search, but after the install
reboot,
the count was incremented yet once again.

Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were snipped
so
I can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please let me know
and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and like them
I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven by a OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being time to
compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP SP3. The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value, and then the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've seen many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and quickly saw
that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2 Outlook
Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely from the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left checked
there
is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my userid
(nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by Windows
Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll post later if
that
made any difference.)

You've already indicated that WDS is not a very good program, so why don't
you just uninstall it and that will eliminate the problem?

steve

"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
I've had XP3 installed for a long time - maybe 10 months? Long enough to
forget the circumstances surrounding its installation. I do know that it
was
fairly uneventful. But haven't the foggiest notion of whther McAfee was
running at the time.

I haven't had any other strange problems happening (that I know about). I
guess I'll just have to live with it.

But doesn't it seem obvious that if Windows Search is jiggering with
directory entries for OE, and the user isn't using OE, that WIndows Search
could make some sort of a test and refrain from making the registry change
in
certain cases?

And what kind of a procedure is it that unilaterally reinstalls msoe.dll,
when a copy of the dll is not available in the Oultook Express directory?
Shouldn't it at least ask?

It seems like a lot of fingers are being pointed away from the true
culprit
here. Just sayin'.

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

In the meantime, I've gone to Windows Search, but after the [initial?]
reboot,
the count was incremented yet once again.

One or more options/settings in an ever-growing number of third-party
applications may be disallowing the change(s) from "sticking". These
include
but are not limited to Ad-aware Pro Ad-Watch, Spybot Tea Timer,
SpywareBlaster, SpySweeper, Spyware Doctor, CounterSpy, AVG Anti-Spyware,
Norton AntiVirus, McAfee VirusScan and/or Antispyware, NOD32, and Zone
Alarm
(Free, Pro, & Security Suite).

And if any of the real-time protections above were running in the
background
when you installed WinXP SP3, you've probably got worse problems.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Dave Jenkins wrote:
So, just kind of recapping he

We're at a dead end? We know who the culprit is (Windows Desktop
Search)
and we know that it's not being explicitly told to index OE files. We
know
that the only .dbx files remaining are skeleton ones, but we don't know
why
they got created? And we know that I don't have Nero Scout,
MailWashing,
RAKDLL.DLL, etc. installed.

I'm going to try renaming the registry entry as has been reported
elsewhere,
but I believe that I may have tried it before and it got recreated,
though.

In the meantime, I've gone to Windows Search, but after the install
reboot,
the count was incremented yet once again.


Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were snipped
so
I
can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please let me know
and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and like them
I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven by a OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being time to
compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP SP3. The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value, and then
the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've seen
many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and quickly saw
that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2 Outlook
Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely from the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left checked
there
is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my userid
(nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by Windows
Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll post later
if
that
made any difference.)

Thanks for your help.


--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

That's the only one I found in a Procmon trace, and the count reflected in
the registry reconciles to the nuber of occurrences in the trace (1/boot).

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

From what you have provided, I am at a loss for a fix. This is why I
forwarded to OE General. Hoping that someone else can come up with an idea I
am not ware of. I can say that you are the first I have encountered that
stopping WDS indexing of OE did not resolve the issue if that in fact is the
only program you have that is /touching/ OE.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
A last note to a depressing day:

I removed the Compact Check Count registry entries and renamed msoe.dll.

After a reboot I found that the registry enries had been recreated (and
incremented to 1) and that a new, fresh copy of msoe.dll had been placed
in
the \Program Files\Outlook Express directory. Turns out that there's 4-5
virgin copies of msoe.dll on the hd, in various places, and some program
was
smart enough to go find one and copy it in. I'm guessing that that
program
would be Windows Search? Certainly Windows Search is the culprit as far
as
incrementing the counter goes (at least in my case).

I guess, at the end of the day, I have a better idea for what's going on,
but I don't understand why this shoould be happening just now - (unless
there's been an update to the contrary) nothing much has happened Windows
Search-wise, that I know of. So why did this start now?

And what's the next step?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

TY. I was searching: .(spam-ugh
--
~Bruce

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Thread history:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...9d4e967028e6c9

Bruce Hagen wrote:
Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were snipped
so
I
can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please let me know
and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and like them
I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven by a OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being time to
compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP SP3. The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value, and then
the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've seen
many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and quickly saw
that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2 Outlook
Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely from the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left checked
there
is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my userid
(nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by Windows
Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll post later
if
that
made any difference.)

Thanks for your help.


--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

Why not remove WDS and see if the problem is resolved just to be sure it is
WDS? It is easilly reinstalled.

"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
That's the only one I found in a Procmon trace, and the count reflected in
the registry reconciles to the nuber of occurrences in the trace (1/boot).

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

From what you have provided, I am at a loss for a fix. This is why I
forwarded to OE General. Hoping that someone else can come up with an
idea I
am not ware of. I can say that you are the first I have encountered that
stopping WDS indexing of OE did not resolve the issue if that in fact is
the
only program you have that is /touching/ OE.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
A last note to a depressing day:

I removed the Compact Check Count registry entries and renamed
msoe.dll.

After a reboot I found that the registry enries had been recreated (and
incremented to 1) and that a new, fresh copy of msoe.dll had been
placed
in
the \Program Files\Outlook Express directory. Turns out that there's
4-5
virgin copies of msoe.dll on the hd, in various places, and some
program
was
smart enough to go find one and copy it in. I'm guessing that that
program
would be Windows Search? Certainly Windows Search is the culprit as
far
as
incrementing the counter goes (at least in my case).

I guess, at the end of the day, I have a better idea for what's going
on,
but I don't understand why this shoould be happening just now - (unless
there's been an update to the contrary) nothing much has happened
Windows
Search-wise, that I know of. So why did this start now?

And what's the next step?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

TY. I was searching: .(spam-ugh
--
~Bruce

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Thread history:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...9d4e967028e6c9

Bruce Hagen wrote:
Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were
snipped
so
I
can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in
message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please let me
know
and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and like
them
I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven by a
OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being time to
compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP SP3.
The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value, and then
the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've seen
many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and quickly
saw
that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2 Outlook
Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely from
the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left checked
there
is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my userid
(nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by Windows
Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll post
later
if
that
made any difference.)

Thanks for your help.


--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

Go here (http://screencast.com/t/bNVUFs6fOg) for a screenshot of the choices
for WS Indexing I made through the Control Panel. This screenshot
(http://screencast.com/t/FGNsGCWmAn) shows the filtered Procmon trace for any
registry accesses to anything with a path that ends "Compact Check Count."
It shows two changes to the value: the first is my script that now runs at
Startup, and which resets the count to zero. The second shows
WindowsSearch.exe setting the value to 1.

Can you spot anything in the definition of what's to be indexed that might
allow Outlook Express to be included by default or reference, or some other
non-obvious way?

Thanks.
--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

From what you have provided, I am at a loss for a fix. This is why I
forwarded to OE General. Hoping that someone else can come up with an idea I
am not ware of. I can say that you are the first I have encountered that
stopping WDS indexing of OE did not resolve the issue if that in fact is the
only program you have that is /touching/ OE.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
A last note to a depressing day:

I removed the Compact Check Count registry entries and renamed msoe.dll.

After a reboot I found that the registry enries had been recreated (and
incremented to 1) and that a new, fresh copy of msoe.dll had been placed
in
the \Program Files\Outlook Express directory. Turns out that there's 4-5
virgin copies of msoe.dll on the hd, in various places, and some program
was
smart enough to go find one and copy it in. I'm guessing that that
program
would be Windows Search? Certainly Windows Search is the culprit as far
as
incrementing the counter goes (at least in my case).

I guess, at the end of the day, I have a better idea for what's going on,
but I don't understand why this shoould be happening just now - (unless
there's been an update to the contrary) nothing much has happened Windows
Search-wise, that I know of. So why did this start now?

And what's the next step?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

TY. I was searching: .(spam-ugh
--
~Bruce

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Thread history:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...9d4e967028e6c9

Bruce Hagen wrote:
Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were snipped
so
I
can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please let me know
and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and like them
I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven by a OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being time to
compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP SP3. The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value, and then
the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've seen
many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and quickly saw
that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2 Outlook
Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely from the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left checked
there
is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my userid
(nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by Windows
Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll post later
if
that
made any difference.)

Thanks for your help.


--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

Nothing is jumping out at me, but did you delete all OE identities? And then
delete the dbx files in the one and only OE identity that will be created
automatically?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
Go here (http://screencast.com/t/bNVUFs6fOg) for a screenshot of the
choices
for WS Indexing I made through the Control Panel. This screenshot
(http://screencast.com/t/FGNsGCWmAn) shows the filtered Procmon trace for
any
registry accesses to anything with a path that ends "Compact Check Count."
It shows two changes to the value: the first is my script that now runs at
Startup, and which resets the count to zero. The second shows
WindowsSearch.exe setting the value to 1.

Can you spot anything in the definition of what's to be indexed that might
allow Outlook Express to be included by default or reference, or some
other
non-obvious way?

Thanks.
--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

From what you have provided, I am at a loss for a fix. This is why I
forwarded to OE General. Hoping that someone else can come up with an
idea I
am not ware of. I can say that you are the first I have encountered that
stopping WDS indexing of OE did not resolve the issue if that in fact is
the
only program you have that is /touching/ OE.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
A last note to a depressing day:

I removed the Compact Check Count registry entries and renamed
msoe.dll.

After a reboot I found that the registry enries had been recreated (and
incremented to 1) and that a new, fresh copy of msoe.dll had been
placed
in
the \Program Files\Outlook Express directory. Turns out that there's
4-5
virgin copies of msoe.dll on the hd, in various places, and some
program
was
smart enough to go find one and copy it in. I'm guessing that that
program
would be Windows Search? Certainly Windows Search is the culprit as
far
as
incrementing the counter goes (at least in my case).

I guess, at the end of the day, I have a better idea for what's going
on,
but I don't understand why this shoould be happening just now - (unless
there's been an update to the contrary) nothing much has happened
Windows
Search-wise, that I know of. So why did this start now?

And what's the next step?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

TY. I was searching: .(spam-ugh
--
~Bruce

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Thread history:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...9d4e967028e6c9

Bruce Hagen wrote:
Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were
snipped
so
I
can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in
message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please let me
know
and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and like
them
I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven by a
OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being time to
compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP SP3.
The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value, and then
the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've seen
many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and quickly
saw
that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2 Outlook
Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely from
the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left checked
there
is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my userid
(nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by Windows
Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll post
later
if
that
made any difference.)

Thanks for your help.


--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX

No - I did not delete any OE identities. I don't know how to do that, or
even what they are! They seem to be akin to users, but they're not really -
I can see that.

Can you give me pointers on how to do what you're suggesting?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

Nothing is jumping out at me, but did you delete all OE identities? And then
delete the dbx files in the one and only OE identity that will be created
automatically?
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
Go here (http://screencast.com/t/bNVUFs6fOg) for a screenshot of the
choices
for WS Indexing I made through the Control Panel. This screenshot
(http://screencast.com/t/FGNsGCWmAn) shows the filtered Procmon trace for
any
registry accesses to anything with a path that ends "Compact Check Count."
It shows two changes to the value: the first is my script that now runs at
Startup, and which resets the count to zero. The second shows
WindowsSearch.exe setting the value to 1.

Can you spot anything in the definition of what's to be indexed that might
allow Outlook Express to be included by default or reference, or some
other
non-obvious way?

Thanks.
--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

From what you have provided, I am at a loss for a fix. This is why I
forwarded to OE General. Hoping that someone else can come up with an
idea I
am not ware of. I can say that you are the first I have encountered that
stopping WDS indexing of OE did not resolve the issue if that in fact is
the
only program you have that is /touching/ OE.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in message
...
A last note to a depressing day:

I removed the Compact Check Count registry entries and renamed
msoe.dll.

After a reboot I found that the registry enries had been recreated (and
incremented to 1) and that a new, fresh copy of msoe.dll had been
placed
in
the \Program Files\Outlook Express directory. Turns out that there's
4-5
virgin copies of msoe.dll on the hd, in various places, and some
program
was
smart enough to go find one and copy it in. I'm guessing that that
program
would be Windows Search? Certainly Windows Search is the culprit as
far
as
incrementing the counter goes (at least in my case).

I guess, at the end of the day, I have a better idea for what's going
on,
but I don't understand why this shoould be happening just now - (unless
there's been an update to the contrary) nothing much has happened
Windows
Search-wise, that I know of. So why did this start now?

And what's the next step?

--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX


"Bruce Hagen" wrote:

TY. I was searching: .(spam-ugh
--
~Bruce

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
Thread history:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...9d4e967028e6c9

Bruce Hagen wrote:
Crossposted to OE General. Please see the original post in XP
Help_And_Support to see what has been done so far. Posts were
snipped
so
I
can't forward them all.


"Dave Jenkins" .(spam-ugh!) wrote in
message
...
First of all, if I'm in the wrong forum for this - please let me
know
and
I'll move on over.

I have had a problem that's deviled many other folks, and like
them
I've
spent days trying to dope it out: I'm getting a popup driven by a
OE
registry
value ("Compact Check Count") that whines about it being time to
compact
OE
messages. I'm not using OE at all - use Outlook 2007 on XP SP3.
The
Compact
Check Count counter gets incremented to a critical value, and then
the
popup
is generated.

So why is that counter being manipulated on my system? I've seen
many
posts
listing possible causes, and so I downloaded Procmon and quickly
saw
that
it
is Windows Desktop Search that's incrementing the counter.

I found that the Control Panel Indexing Options included 2 Outlook
Express
locations - problem solved! Well, not quite: I've unchecked those
locations
(it's not clear to me how to remove those locations entirely from
the
eligible list, but they're unchecked) and what's now left checked
there
is
MS
OneNote, MS Outlook and Documents and Settings, all for my userid
(nobody
else uses this PC).

So: How can I keep this counter from being manipulated by Windows
Desktop
Search?

(As a last-gasp measure, I'm rebuiding the index -- I'll post
later
if
that
made any difference.)

Thanks for your help.


--
Dave Jenkins
K5KX