"Windows 10 Version 1903 Requires at Least 32 GB of Storage"

"Windows 10 Version 1903 Requires at Least 32 GB of Storage"

https://www.petri.com/paul-thurrotts...ial-edition-10

"Microsoft has for the first time raised the minimum storage requirement
for Windows 10, in version 1903, to 32 GB for both 32-bit and 64-bit PCs."

In my experience, the storage requirement for Winders rises 5 to 10 GB
each year as it scatters files into every nook and cranny of the file
system.

Lynn

Lynn McGuire wrote:
"Windows 10 Version 1903 Requires at Least 32 GB of Storage"

https://www.petri.com/paul-thurrotts...ial-edition-10

"Microsoft has for the first time raised the minimum storage requirement
for Windows 10, in version 1903, to 32 GB for both 32-bit and 64-bit PCs."

In my experience, the storage requirement for Winders rises 5 to 10 GB
each year as it scatters files into every nook and cranny of the file
system.

Lynn

I must be blind, but where does it say that quote?
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Xenomorphed/Alien Ant wrote:

Lynn McGuire quoted:
"Microsoft has for the first time raised the minimum storage requirement
for Windows 10, in version 1903, to 32 GB for both 32-bit and 64-bit PCs."

I must be blind, but where does it say that quote?

On a different page :-P

https://www.petri.com/microsoft-increases-minimum-storage-requirements-for-windows-10-feature-updates

On 4/26/2019 3:11 PM, Xenomorphed/Alien Ant wrote:
Lynn McGuire wrote:
"Windows 10 Version 1903 Requires at Least 32 GB of Storage"

https://www.petri.com/paul-thurrotts...ial-edition-10

"Microsoft has for the first time raised the minimum storage requirement
for Windows 10, in version 1903, to 32 GB for both 32-bit and 64-bit PCs."

In my experience, the storage requirement for Winders rises 5 to 10 GB
each year as it scatters files into every nook and cranny of the file
system.

Lynn

I must be blind, but where does it say that quote?

Sorry ! I am the blind one, here is the correct URL:

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/win...-gb-of-storage

Lynn

On 4/26/2019 2:53 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"Windows 10 Version 1903 Requires at Least 32 GB of Storage"

https://www.petri.com/paul-thurrotts...ial-edition-10


"Microsoft has for the first time raised the minimum storage requirement
for Windows 10, in version 1903, to 32 GB for both 32-bit and 64-bit PCs."

In my experience, the storage requirement for Winders rises 5 to 10 GB
each year as it scatters files into every nook and cranny of the file
system.

Lynn

Sorry ! I am the blind one, here is the correct URL:

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/win...-gb-of-storage

Lynn

On 26/04/2019 20:53, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"Windows 10 Version 1903 Requires at Least 32 GB of Storage"

https://w

"Microsoft has for the first time raised the minimum storage
requirement for Windows 10, in version 1903, to 32 GB for both 32-bit
and 64-bit PCs."

In my experience, the storage requirement for Winders rises 5 to 10 GB
each year as it scatters files into every nook and cranny of the file
system.

Lynn


This is a non story as far as I'm concerned because the HD size & price
per GB is so affordable these days that most people are least concerned
about HD space requirements. DELL has machines costing £300 that has
2TB disk space already so what is the problem Lynn Troll?

If we were talking about minimum RAM requirement then people might be
alarmed because some of the users here are still using Windows 7 and
sometimes next year they will require to install Windows 10 on their
existing machine if it meets the "basic" requirements. People should
make provision to have at least 8GB RAM to use Windows 10 comfortably.
anything less is asking for frustration!!! and this might affect their
man-hood!!!!!





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Lynn McGuire wrote:
"Windows 10 Version 1903 Requires at Least 32 GB of Storage"

https://www.petri.com/paul-thurrotts...ial-edition-10


"Microsoft has for the first time raised the minimum storage requirement
for Windows 10, in version 1903, to 32 GB for both 32-bit and 64-bit PCs."

In my experience, the storage requirement for Winders rises 5 to 10 GB
each year as it scatters files into every nook and cranny of the file
system.

Lynn

Au contraire.

The storage requirements are relatively consistent.

About 10GB give-or-take for a clean install, from
Vista onwards. Say somewhere between 10-12GB,
once you crank down the Pagefile and turn off
Hibernation.

Where the problem lies, is the storage of Windows.old
while the install is happening. If you use Cleanmgr.exe
afterwards, it'll tell you that Windows.old is around
20GB (contains backup copies of many Windows Updates).
And that's going to be deleted in 10 days, whether
you like it or not. I usually accelerate the deletion
of that area, since I have a backup to use if the
Upgrade Install goes wrong. "Revert" is too slow to be
used for the purpose.

The only gate right now on 1904, is the USB drive re-lettering
issue, which prevents automatic Upgrade on machines with
USB keys sticking out the back. On a tablet, extending
the storage space using USB sticks, was the method chosen
to extend the storage space enough, to solve the "hump"
in install size caused by Windows.old.

Windows.old only exists to support "Revert" after an Upgrade.
Say your favorite Win32 application didn't work, and you
had to get your job done, you could select Revert and
Windows.old would blow away Windows. And the previous
release (1809) would again be running the machine.

If it wasn't for that feature, and the Windows.old
that sticks around for 10 days (or less), the "peak"
storage requirement would be reasonable.

These "reference images" I keep, have the hiberation file
turned off (because it's a function of the amount of RAM
the user has). And the pagefile is similarly shrunk down,
not as far as it will go, but all the images should have
the pagefile set to 1GB. It's the same size I use for
Linux swap partition (i.e. just enough to survive
a mis-configured garbage collector).

05/27/2018 01:24 AM 8,775,759,296 10240.vhd
05/27/2018 01:39 AM 9,034,771,968 10586.vhd
02/07/2018 12:10 AM 10,083,603,968 14393.vhd
02/07/2018 12:20 AM 9,452,207,104 15063.vhd
02/07/2018 12:30 AM 9,561,285,632 16299.vhd
05/26/2018 01:35 AM 9,611,629,568 17034.vhd

So the disk size would go like this.

Windows plus certain program files materials 20GB
Installation starts. 10GB to 12GB new material 32GB peak usage, during install
Remove Windows.old after install done 12GB (to cover variations)
Windows Updates... ...20GB bloats as time passes

That would be the cycle every six months or so.

The last time I checked (it's been a while), the
installer likes to see "3GB of slack". Thus the
math works out to around 35GB minimum, unless
something happens to the contrary. The tablet
method used to use the "compressed-WIM plus overlay
file system", but since I don't own such devices,
I haven't kept track of the new scheme they're using.
It doesn't have to be the same as the desktop
numbers I quote above. Technically, the smallest
a new Windows core could be, would be around 5GB
or so (i.e. nothing but a compressed-WIM). What they're
actually doing these days on tablets, nobody has
given a breakdown on the space in use.

Microsoft is working in the lab, on a "16GB eMMC" version
of Windows 10, a kind of Windows 10 Lite. Which I
don't think is such a good idea, but I would guess
this is part of the Windows 10 battle plan against
Chromebooks. There's a good chance this will be
a hobbled version that doesn't run Win32 apps or
something. I'm not aware of this being in the field
yet, so we could get a review of how horrible it is.

Paul

On 4/26/2019 3:31 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 26/04/2019 20:53, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"Windows 10 Version 1903 Requires at Least 32 GB of Storage"

https://w

"Microsoft has for the first time raised the minimum storage
requirement for Windows 10, in version 1903, to 32 GB for both 32-bit
and 64-bit PCs."

In my experience, the storage requirement for Winders rises 5 to 10 GB
each year as it scatters files into every nook and cranny of the file
system.

Lynn


This is a non story as far as I'm concerned because the HD size & price
per GB is so affordable these days that most people are least concerned
about HD space requirements.Â* DELL has machines costing £300 that has
2TB disk space already so what is the problem Lynn Troll?

If we were talking about minimum RAM requirement then people might be
alarmed because some of the users here are still using Windows 7 and
sometimes next year they will require to install Windows 10 on their
existing machine if it meets the "basic" requirements.Â* People should
make provision to have at least 8GB RAM to use Windows 10 comfortably.
anything less is asking for frustration!!! and this might affect their
man-hood!!!!!

It does make a difference for Virtual Machines though.

Lynn

On 26/04/2019 22.42, Paul wrote:

Microsoft is working in the lab, on a "16GB eMMC" version
of Windows 10, a kind of Windows 10 Lite. Which I
don't think is such a good idea, but I would guess
this is part of the Windows 10 battle plan against
Chromebooks. There's a good chance this will be
a hobbled version that doesn't run Win32 apps or
something. I'm not aware of this being in the field
yet, so we could get a review of how horrible it is.

Well, they sell small laptops with that sort of disk space with Windows
already installed.

(Use google translate) https://www.pccomponentes.com/portatiles/32-gb

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On 26/04/2019 21:42, Lynn Troll wrote:

It does make a difference for Virtual Machines though.



Why do you need to use virtual machine? Windows is a not an operating
system for hobbyists and enthusiasts. It's a business tool on which
serious work is done.

1903 will have a sand box built in so there won't be any need for
virtual machine. People will be able to install some trial software in
the sand box and after the trial period has expired, it can be removed
without affecting the main windows installation.

when will you start using Windows 10? Have you planned for the culture
shock you might encounter?

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On 26/04/2019 22.54, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 26/04/2019 21:42, Lynn Troll wrote:

It does make a difference for Virtual Machines though.



Why do you need to use virtual machine?Â* Windows is a not an operating
system for hobbyists and enthusiasts.Â* It's a business tool on which
serious work is done.

LOL.

Do you really think that "virtual machines" are not used for real
serious work?

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On 4/26/2019 4:51 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 26/04/2019 22.42, Paul wrote:

Microsoft is working in the lab, on a "16GB eMMC" version
of Windows 10, a kind of Windows 10 Lite. Which I
don't think is such a good idea, but I would guess
this is part of the Windows 10 battle plan against
Chromebooks. There's a good chance this will be
a hobbled version that doesn't run Win32 apps or
something. I'm not aware of this being in the field
yet, so we could get a review of how horrible it is.

Well, they sell small laptops with that sort of disk space with Windows
already installed.

(Use google translate) https://www.pccomponentes.com/portatiles/32-gb

I have a Tablet with 32GB Native storage and a 32 GB card.

I am still on 1803 since I never have gotten it to update. Based on my
experience, I don't know how they can continue to sell Widows 10
computers (Laptop/tablets) with only 32GB of storage

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Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 26/04/2019 22.54, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 26/04/2019 21:42, Lynn Troll wrote:
It does make a difference for Virtual Machines though.


Why do you need to use virtual machine? Windows is a not an operating
system for hobbyists and enthusiasts. It's a business tool on which
serious work is done.

LOL.

Do you really think that "virtual machines" are not used for real
serious work?


Of course.

That's how you get a wide range of softwares on a
given box.

I was using SoftWindows on a Unix boxen at work, and
that was my first VM. And the boss would go for these,
because it helped meet the "don't allow employees to
gather a ton of computers in their office space" rule.
Part of the reason for rules like that, was avoiding
electrical overloads (and needing to add air conditioning
capacity - it could cost your department $10K to add
additional cooling to a lab environment for example,
just for power dissipation reasons.).

Our buildings were heated in winter, mainly just
from the amount of AC Power in usage. You can do that
in office buildings.

Ever since that introduction to VMs, I've had them
on every computer I've owned since.

Paul

Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 4/26/2019 4:51 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 26/04/2019 22.42, Paul wrote:

Microsoft is working in the lab, on a "16GB eMMC" version
of Windows 10, a kind of Windows 10 Lite. Which I
don't think is such a good idea, but I would guess
this is part of the Windows 10 battle plan against
Chromebooks. There's a good chance this will be
a hobbled version that doesn't run Win32 apps or
something. I'm not aware of this being in the field
yet, so we could get a review of how horrible it is.

Well, they sell small laptops with that sort of disk space with Windows
already installed.

(Use google translate) https://www.pccomponentes.com/portatiles/32-gb

I have a Tablet with 32GB Native storage and a 32 GB card.

I am still on 1803 since I never have gotten it to update. Based on my
experience, I don't know how they can continue to sell Widows 10
computers (Laptop/tablets) with only 32GB of storage


This article was last updated in 2019, and recommends having
addition storage available as an external device.

https://www.dell.com/support/article...ows-10?lang=en

",,, you can attach a USB key (16GB or greater) or an external
USB hard drive to the computer to finish the upgrade"

This month, you should be finding Windows Update only
too willing to start Upgrading.

Using two USB sticks, one as the "storage area", one with
the 1809 image on it, might be another way to do it. MediaCreationTool
should have an option to directly make a USB stick for you. Maybe
when that runs and does an Upgrade Advisor check, it will be
able to tell you why the upgrade is blocked (or not).

Paul

Lynn McGuire wrote:
"Windows 10 Version 1903 Requires at Least 32 GB of Storage"

https://www.petri.com/paul-thurrotts...ial-edition-10


"Microsoft has for the first time raised the minimum storage requirement
for Windows 10, in version 1903, to 32 GB for both 32-bit and 64-bit PCs."

In my experience, the storage requirement for Winders rises 5 to 10 GB
each year as it scatters files into every nook and cranny of the file
system.

Lynn

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019...-32gb-storage/

"7GB of disk space are permanently reserved for the install process."

So that's the claimed reason for the "needs X space" statement.

It's the dumb reservation method they dreamed up.

It's like buying size 13 shoes for a size 10 foot.

Obviously they're "buttering up" the ecosystem for a
Lite version of the OS. Kinda like whacking you on the
foot with a hammer, then mentioning their new, reasonably priced, medical plan.

Paul