I'm almost ready to go back to W7

W10 has been a dud for me. It's slow. I've done all kinds of things to
make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7. In several
programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5 or 10
letters behind my typing. Everything is lagging behind. Just clicking
on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or 3 second and
sometimes even more. Why bother. Am I missing something here?

On 11/03/2020 16:11, Art Todesco wrote:
Am I missing something here?

Probably you are missing a fully functional brain. Just ask somebody to
hit your head with a hammer.

If you go back to W7 then it would be a great loss to Microsoft. You are
doing a great favour to Microsoft by using its operating system.




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On 2020-03-11 11:11 a.m., Art Todesco wrote:
W10 has been a dud for me.Â* It's slow.Â* I've done all kinds of things to
make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7.Â* In several
programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5 or 10
letters behind my typing.Â* Everything is lagging behind.Â* Just clicking
on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or 3 second and
sometimes even more.Â* Why bother.Â* Am I missing something here?

Something has gone awry for sure, Both of ours are very fast and
responsive, Did you do an upgrade or a fresh new install?


Rene

Art Todesco wrote:
W10 has been a dud for me.Â* It's slow.Â* I've done all kinds of things to
make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7.Â* In several
programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5 or 10
letters behind my typing.Â* Everything is lagging behind.Â* Just clicking
on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or 3 second and
sometimes even more.Â* Why bother.Â* Am I missing something here?

The latest W10 is very fast here. MS have come a long way with it since
its initial release.

That typing lag is your immediate target. Such a thing might occur now
and again when a CPU-intensive activity grabs all resources, but not as
the norm.

Ed

On 3/11/2020 12:11 PM, Art Todesco wrote:
W10 has been a dud for me.Â* It's slow.Â* I've done all kinds of things to
make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7.Â* In several
programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5 or 10
letters behind my typing.Â* Everything is lagging behind.Â* Just clicking
on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or 3 second and
sometimes even more.Â* Why bother.Â* Am I missing something here?
The PC is a 3.2G 6 core AMD processor with 8G RAM. I did do the upgrade
and not a clean install. That might be something to try when I have a
few days to do all the re-installations of all the programs, etc.

On 11/03/2020 21:10, Art Todesco wrote:
On 3/11/2020 12:11 PM, Art Todesco wrote:
W10 has been a dud for me. It's slow. I've done all kinds of things
to make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7. In
several programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5
or 10 letters behind my typing. Everything is lagging behind. Just
clicking on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or
3 second and sometimes even more. Why bother. Am I missing
something here?
The PC is a 3.2G 6 core AMD processor with 8G RAM. I did do the
upgrade and not a clean install. That might be something to try when
I have a few days to do all the re-installations of all the programs,
etc.

Buy a new hard disk and install Windows 10 on it. Keep your old drive
just in case needed.

You are doing a great favour to Microsoft. God knows what will
Microsoft do if you decide to install Linux junk. Microsoft won't have
any reasons to laugh at nutters.



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Art Todesco wrote:
W10 has been a dud for me. It's slow. I've done all kinds of things to
make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7. In several
programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5 or 10
letters behind my typing. Everything is lagging behind. Just clicking
on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or 3 second and
sometimes even more. Why bother. Am I missing something here?

Was that a clean install and with all the updates and (new/lat)est drivers?
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On 3/11/20 10:43 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-03-11 11:11 a.m., Art Todesco wrote:
W10 has been a dud for me.Â* It's slow.Â* I've done all kinds of things to
make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7.Â* In several
programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5 or 10
letters behind my typing.Â* Everything is lagging behind.Â* Just clicking
on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or 3 second and
sometimes even more.Â* Why bother.Â* Am I missing something here?

Something has gone awry for sure, Both of ours are very fast and
responsive, Did you do an upgrade or a fresh new install?

I don't get the typing lag in my W10 main system.

My system is somewhat slower now than when W10 was first installed.
Clean install, something about the W7 install before it was not liked by
W10. I got some error message about an unsafe operating system.

However... I run my system differently than I did before. When I first
installed W10, I rarely multitasked, did not use task views, and did not
sleep/hibernate the system. Virtual memory was controlled by Windows.

Now, I do a lot of multitasking using Task View, virtual memory is set
to a fixed size, and I sleep/hibernate the system. For years I looked
for a recommendation of how large to set the virtual memory, then
accidentally stumbled on to a recommendation. So I followed it.

But after letting what I'd done bubble in the brain, what I did may
actually have been a negative. The article did not include a date, so
it may be for older hardware and lower RAM than I have. I'm
contemplating adding more RAM, so have not pursued the issue.

Thunderbird has the typing issue you mention for years, yet they've
never fixed it. I do not use W10 for my email, so I don't know what
would happen there if I used Thunderbird on W10.


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On 2020-03-11 4:10 p.m., Art Todesco wrote:
On 3/11/2020 12:11 PM, Art Todesco wrote:
W10 has been a dud for me.Â* It's slow.Â* I've done all kinds of things
to make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7.Â* In several
programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5 or 10
letters behind my typing.Â* Everything is lagging behind.Â* Just
clicking on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or 3
second and sometimes even more.Â* Why bother.Â* Am I missing something
here?
The PC is a 3.2G 6 core AMD processor with 8G RAM.Â* I did do the upgrade
and not a clean install.Â* That might be something to try when I have a
few days to do all the re-installations of all the programs, etc.

It may help, 6 months ago I built a new system with an AMD 5 3400g CPU
running at 3.2 GHz and 16 GB of ram, I did a clone of Windows 10 from my
old system but was not happy, Everything seemed rather slow and was
getting all kinds of small problems.

So I finally said enough and wiped the drive clean and installed the
latest version of Windows 10, Then everything was back to normal and it
ran like it should.

I then started reinstalling programs slowly day by day as I needed them,
I know it took a while but gave me the advantage of cleaning out years
of old unneeded cruft, By the way 8 GB of ram is fine, I ran windows 10
quite well on my old system on 6 GB.
There is an old saying "the longest way round is sometimes the shortest
way home". :-)

Rene

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 12:11:07 -0400, Art Todesco
wrote:

W10 has been a dud for me. It's slow. I've done all kinds of things to
make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7. In several
programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5 or 10
letters behind my typing. Everything is lagging behind. Just clicking
on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or 3 second and
sometimes even more. Why bother. Am I missing something here?

I agree that W7 is better than W10. I only lasted a few days with W10
before reinstalling W7.

Steve

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On 2020-03-11 09:43, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-03-11 11:11 a.m., Art Todesco wrote:
W10 has been a dud for me.Â* It's slow.Â* I've done all kinds of things
to make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7.Â* In several
programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5 or 10
letters behind my typing.Â* Everything is lagging behind.Â* Just
clicking on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or 3
second and sometimes even more.Â* Why bother.Â* Am I missing something
here?

SomethingÂ* has gone awry for sure, Both of ours are very fast and
responsive, Did you do an upgrade or a fresh new install?


Rene


Rene is correct. Something is wrong. W10 is indeed slower
and buggier than W7, but only about 10 to 20% slower.

If you have a spare hard drive, trying doing a fresh/clean
install on the spare drive and see if it still drags. If
so, you have hardware issues. If not, the upgrade went foobar
on you.

Art Todesco wrote:
On 3/11/2020 12:11 PM, Art Todesco wrote:
W10 has been a dud for me. It's slow. I've done all kinds of things
to make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7. In several
programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5 or 10
letters behind my typing. Everything is lagging behind. Just
clicking on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or 3
second and sometimes even more. Why bother. Am I missing something
here?
The PC is a 3.2G 6 core AMD processor with 8G RAM. I did do the upgrade
and not a clean install. That might be something to try when I have a
few days to do all the re-installations of all the programs, etc.

What kind of HID subsystem are you running ?

Keyboard and mouse could be:

Over PS/2 ports (lowest jitter)
Over USB2 (a bit more sampling/polling jitter) latency still good/excellent
Over Bluetooth Uh oh.

Bluetooth *might* be a problem, if you have an external
USB3 hard drive. Cable emissions can interfere with
BT or Wifi, as the cable gives off 2.5GHz RF. This
would be the case if the drive was powered. If the
drive has an ON/OFF switch, in the OFF position
the RF on the cable should stop.

RF can cause retransmissions on Bluetooth.

I've seen latency on computers here, even with PS/2.
Sometimes thunderbird falls behind, but it's usually
when I have a taskbar full of programs open at the time.

A command like "winsat formal" in an administrator command
prompt window, provide some benchmarks for a computer, but
the Windows 10 version is a bit broken.

I tried the Win7 version and it works OK, and does
video testing. But there's no HID testing. This is mostly
pointless.

https://i.postimg.cc/2jJNMDKh/winsat...estmachine.gif

HID testing would be hard to do anyway (would need additional
instrumentation to make a good test). You'd need, say,
a video camera watching the keyboard, as the keys are pressed.
Or perhaps, a LED indicator indicating when a key press code
(UP or DOWN code) was sent over the cable. In order to make
an attempt at measuring system latency.

You can get a general overview of hardware with CPUZ,
but this doesn't cover everything.

(Portable version)

https://www.cpuid.com/downloads/cpu-z/cpu-z_1.91-en.zip

Screenshot.

https://i.postimg.cc/FRnS4RMj/cpuz.gif

Paul

On 3/11/2020 5:19 PM, Ant wrote:
Art Todesco wrote:
W10 has been a dud for me. It's slow. I've done all kinds of things to
make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7. In several
programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5 or 10
letters behind my typing. Everything is lagging behind. Just clicking
on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or 3 second and
sometimes even more. Why bother. Am I missing something here?

Was that a clean install and with all the updates and (new/lat)est drivers?

No, I did the upgrade thing.

In article ,
Art Todesco wrote:
On 3/11/2020 5:19 PM, Ant wrote:
Art Todesco wrote:
W10 has been a dud for me. It's slow. I've done all kinds of things to
make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7. In several
programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5 or 10
letters behind my typing. Everything is lagging behind. Just clicking
on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or 3 second and
sometimes even more. Why bother. Am I missing something here?

Was that a clean install and with all the updates and (new/lat)est drivers?

No, I did the upgrade thing.

Somebody "threatening" to go back to W7 from W10 is like a person
threatening to go back to water after a spree of drinking sulfuric acid.

Not exactly a big news item.

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Art Todesco wrote:
On 3/11/2020 5:19 PM, Ant wrote:
Art Todesco wrote:
W10 has been a dud for me. It's slow. I've done all kinds of things to
make it better, but it's still not as responsive as W7. In several
programs I will be typing along and find that the screen is 5 or 10
letters behind my typing. Everything is lagging behind. Just clicking
on a button, which used to happen instantly, now takes 2 or 3 second and
sometimes even more. Why bother. Am I missing something here?

Was that a clean install and with all the updates and (new/lat)est drivers?

No, I did the upgrade thing.

Try a clean install. Upgrades can be messy.
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