Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to
extend its support for Windows 7?

I do NOT think Windows 10 is ready for the prime time, it's update is
absolutely as horrifying as a data doomsday.

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In article , Mr. Man-wai
Chang wrote:

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to
extend its support for Windows 7?

no.

I do NOT think Windows 10 is ready for the prime time, it's update is
absolutely as horrifying as a data doomsday.

it's definitely ready for prime time. the problem is that microsoft has
****ty q/a and keeps releasing buggy updates, although i think they may
have finally realized they need to fix that. 1809 was a rather serious
****up.

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:37:21 +0800
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote:

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to
extend its support for Windows 7?

I do NOT think Windows 10 is ready for the prime time, it's update is
absolutely as horrifying as a data doomsday.


It will never be ready. it will only get worse.

I was perfectly happy running Windows 7, then Microsoft started
deliberately destroying its operating system. I have never understood
why a company would do this.

On 1/17/2019 11:08 PM, Johnny wrote:

I was perfectly happy running Windows 7, then Microsoft started
deliberately destroying its operating system. I have never understood
why a company would do this.


You should have asked: why is US Government tolerating that kind of
business behavior and ethics?

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On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 09:08:48 -0600, Johnny wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:37:21 +0800
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote:

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to
extend its support for Windows 7?

I do NOT think Windows 10 is ready for the prime time, it's update is
absolutely as horrifying as a data doomsday.


It will never be ready. it will only get worse.

I was perfectly happy running Windows 7, then Microsoft started
deliberately destroying its operating system. I have never understood
why a company would do this.

To encourage you to use 10 and embrace Modern apps.

In message 20190117090848.50d76286@milospc, Johnny
writes:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:37:21 +0800
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote:

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to
extend its support for Windows 7?

I doubt it; I can't see how any company can be obliged to continue
supporting an obsolete product, unless they were foolish enough to ever
promise to do so. I would say it's like expecting Ford to continue to
support the Model T, but I have a feeling they do.

I could see a company being prevented from deliberately _breaking_ an
existing product, however. But you're going to need powerful lawyers,
and possibly even a change in the law, to force that through.

I do NOT think Windows 10 is ready for the prime time, it's update is
absolutely as horrifying as a data doomsday.


It will never be ready. it will only get worse.

I was perfectly happy running Windows 7, then Microsoft started
deliberately destroying its operating system. I have never understood
why a company would do this.

As well as "to make you buy the new one", it's so they can put an end
date on supporting the old one, which costs them money and brings in no
income for them. I'm not supporting them in this, of course.
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maximus from his humerus.

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:07:23 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message 20190117090848.50d76286@milospc, Johnny
writes:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:37:21 +0800
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote:

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to
extend its support for Windows 7?

I doubt it; I can't see how any company can be obliged to continue
supporting an obsolete product, unless they were foolish enough to ever
promise to do so. I would say it's like expecting Ford to continue to
support the Model T, but I have a feeling they do.
snip

One might wonder what's obsolete about Windows 7, and who gets to make
the determination in the first place? It certainly doesn't seem obsolete
to me. In fact, it seems to be much more functional and stable than 10,
although that opinion isn't universal.

Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:07:23 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message 20190117090848.50d76286@milospc, Johnny
writes:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:37:21 +0800
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote:

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to
extend its support for Windows 7?
I doubt it; I can't see how any company can be obliged to continue
supporting an obsolete product, unless they were foolish enough to ever
promise to do so. I would say it's like expecting Ford to continue to
support the Model T, but I have a feeling they do.
snip

One might wonder what's obsolete about Windows 7, and who gets to make
the determination in the first place? It certainly doesn't seem obsolete
to me. In fact, it seems to be much more functional and stable than 10,
although that opinion isn't universal.

I don't even think it needs to be compared to Windows 10.
As Windows 10 is just full of circus tricks.

If you need basic functionality supporting modern APIs,
Windows 7 has most everything you might profit from.

Paul

On 2019-01-18 01:46, Paul wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:07:23 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message 20190117090848.50d76286@milospc, Johnny
writes:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:37:21 +0800
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote:

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to
extend its support for Windows 7?
I doubt it; I can't see how any company can be obliged to continue
supporting an obsolete product, unless they were foolish enough to
ever promise to do so. I would say it's like expecting Ford to
continue to support the Model T, but I have a feeling they do.
snip

One might wonder what's obsolete about Windows 7, and who gets to make
the determination in the first place? It certainly doesn't seem obsolete
to me. In fact, it seems to be much more functional and stable than 10,
although that opinion isn't universal.

I don't even think it needs to be compared to Windows 10.
As Windows 10 is just full of circus tricks.

If you need basic functionality supporting modern APIs,
Windows 7 has most everything you might profit from.

Paul


Personally I think Windows 8.1 is the best option out there for people
who do not want to use Windows 10 (me). Windows 7 boots slower than 8.1
+ start menu is not really necessary for me.

In message , Paul
writes:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:07:23 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message 20190117090848.50d76286@milospc, Johnny
writes:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:37:21 +0800
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote:

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to
extend its support for Windows 7?
I doubt it; I can't see how any company can be obliged to continue
supporting an obsolete product, unless they were foolish enough to
ever promise to do so. I would say it's like expecting Ford to
continue to support the Model T, but I have a feeling they do.
snip
One might wonder what's obsolete about Windows 7, and who gets to
make
the determination in the first place? It certainly doesn't seem obsolete
to me. In fact, it seems to be much more functional and stable than 10,
although that opinion isn't universal.

Obsolete was the wrong word. I meant the company that makes it is no
longer selling it. Microsoft have always behaved as if their latest was
best - would be a massive loss of face for them to backtrack. The only
way out when they _have_ nailed their colours to a dud, in the past, has
been to bring out the next one. But with their statement that 10 will
be/is the last Windows, combined with their new (for 10) upgrade policy,
they can't do that now.

I don't even think it needs to be compared to Windows 10.
As Windows 10 is just full of circus tricks.

If you need basic functionality supporting modern APIs,
Windows 7 has most everything you might profit from.

Indeed.

Paul

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On 1/17/2019 7:01 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:07:23 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message 20190117090848.50d76286@milospc, Johnny
writes:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:37:21 +0800
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote:

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to
extend its support for Windows 7?

I doubt it; I can't see how any company can be obliged to continue
supporting an obsolete product, unless they were foolish enough to ever
promise to do so. I would say it's like expecting Ford to continue to
support the Model T, but I have a feeling they do.
snip

One might wonder what's obsolete about Windows 7, and who gets to make
the determination in the first place? It certainly doesn't seem obsolete
to me. In fact, it seems to be much more functional and stable than 10,
although that opinion isn't universal.

The same people who said the Model T was obsolete and built the Model A Ford

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The same people who said the Model T was obsolete and built the Model A
Ford

No, its more like the same people who complained about Windows 7 that were
holding the opinion XP was better.
The cycle repeats with the same peoples' complaints.

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On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 18:01:33 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:07:23 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message 20190117090848.50d76286@milospc, Johnny
writes:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:37:21 +0800
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote:

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to
extend its support for Windows 7?

I doubt it; I can't see how any company can be obliged to continue
supporting an obsolete product, unless they were foolish enough to ever
promise to do so. I would say it's like expecting Ford to continue to
support the Model T, but I have a feeling they do.
snip

One might wonder what's obsolete about Windows 7, and who gets to make
the determination in the first place?


Here is Merriam-Webster's definition of "obsolete":

1 a : no longer in use or no longer useful an obsolete word
b : of a kind or style no longer current : old-fashioned
an obsolete technology farming methods that are now
obsolete

As far as I'm concerned, it's not quite obsolete, but it's clearly
getting there. It's obsolescent. Here is Merriam-Webster's definition
of "obsolescent":

going out of use : becoming obsolete

Again, clearly Windows 7 is going out of use.


It certainly doesn't seem obsolete
to me. In fact, it seems to be much more functional and stable than 10,
although that opinion isn't universal.


I don't agree. In my experience, both Windows 7 and 10 are almost
completely stable. I don't remember any Windows 10 crashes here.

Also in my experience, Windows 10 is just as functional as Windows 7.
Anything that can be done in Windows 7 can also be done in Window 10.
Add third-party programs like Start 10 (which I use and like very
much) and Directory Opus (which I use and also like very much) and it
can be done just as easily (or more easily, in the case of Directory
Opus) as in Windows 7.

One other comment: what is perceived as Windows 10 lack of stability
by many people often has nothing to do with stability. Crashes can be
caused by many things: hardware problems, malware infection, user
errors, bad software, etc. And if a crash occurs on the computer of
someone who thinks Windows 10 is a bad choice, he usually doesn't know
what caused it, and typically blames it on Windows 10.

I'll take that one step further: roll the clock back and change all
instances of "Windows 10" in the above paragraph to "the latest
version of Windows," and it remains true. There are almost always
many people who think the latest version of Windows, whatever it is,
is terrible, and blame all their problems on it.

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 10:39:38 -0700
Ken Blake wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 18:01:33 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 23:07:23 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message 20190117090848.50d76286@milospc, Johnny
writes:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:37:21 +0800
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote:

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft
to extend its support for Windows 7?

I doubt it; I can't see how any company can be obliged to continue
supporting an obsolete product, unless they were foolish enough to
ever promise to do so. I would say it's like expecting Ford to
continue to support the Model T, but I have a feeling they do.
snip

One might wonder what's obsolete about Windows 7, and who gets to
make the determination in the first place?


Here is Merriam-Webster's definition of "obsolete":

1 a : no longer in use or no longer useful an obsolete word
b : of a kind or style no longer current : old-fashioned
an obsolete technology farming methods that are now
obsolete

As far as I'm concerned, it's not quite obsolete, but it's clearly
getting there. It's obsolescent. Here is Merriam-Webster's definition
of "obsolescent":

going out of use : becoming obsolete

Again, clearly Windows 7 is going out of use.


It certainly doesn't seem obsolete
to me. In fact, it seems to be much more functional and stable than
10, although that opinion isn't universal.


I don't agree. In my experience, both Windows 7 and 10 are almost
completely stable. I don't remember any Windows 10 crashes here.

Also in my experience, Windows 10 is just as functional as Windows 7.
Anything that can be done in Windows 7 can also be done in Window 10.
Add third-party programs like Start 10 (which I use and like very
much) and Directory Opus (which I use and also like very much) and it
can be done just as easily (or more easily, in the case of Directory
Opus) as in Windows 7.

One other comment: what is perceived as Windows 10 lack of stability
by many people often has nothing to do with stability. Crashes can be
caused by many things: hardware problems, malware infection, user
errors, bad software, etc. And if a crash occurs on the computer of
someone who thinks Windows 10 is a bad choice, he usually doesn't know
what caused it, and typically blames it on Windows 10.

I'll take that one step further: roll the clock back and change all
instances of "Windows 10" in the above paragraph to "the latest
version of Windows," and it remains true. There are almost always
many people who think the latest version of Windows, whatever it is,
is terrible, and blame all their problems on it.

I never thought any of them were terrible until Windows 8.

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 10:39:38 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 18:01:33 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

One might wonder what's obsolete about Windows 7, and who gets to make
the determination in the first place?

It certainly doesn't seem obsolete
to me. In fact, it seems to be much more functional and stable than 10,
although that opinion isn't universal.


I don't agree. In my experience, both Windows 7 and 10 are almost
completely stable. I don't remember any Windows 10 crashes here.

I wasn't referring to crashes. I was referring to having a stable
computing platform that can be counted on to be ready to go when the
user is ready to go. Clearly, Windows 10 misses that mark by a country
mile.

There's a segment of the computing public for which Windows 10 is just
fine. Within that segment, you have people who just don't know any
better, or people who use their computer for non-work activities who, at
the most, are only inconvenienced by the weaknesses of Windows 10. I
might say that they don't really care, or they've otherwise somehow come
to grips with the idea that this is just how it is and how it's going to
be. Kudos to that group, because they've made their lives a bit easier.

But there's another segment of the computing public who need more
platform stability, there's that word again, than Windows 10 can
deliver.

I can't say for sure, but I assume there will come a time, perhaps when
I'm in retirement, where the current behavior of Windows 10 would put me
into the first segment above, but at the moment, still being in the
workforce and needing a computer to do my work, I'm very clearly in the
second segment, where Windows 10 falls very short. Can MS get it to
where it needs to be? I think so, but it's been about a decade now since
they've tried to deliver an OS that does what I need, rather than what
they (MS) want for it. Their goals, and my goals, are slipping further
apart rather than getting closer.

Also in my experience, Windows 10 is just as functional as Windows 7.
Anything that can be done in Windows 7 can also be done in Window 10.

Some days that's true. Other days it's not. From that perspective,
things are much worse now than they were before Windows 10 came onto the
scene. When you're using a computer for work, there are lots of times
when you need it right now, not in 10 minutes or an hour, when it
decides it's ready to be available. You're retired, so maybe none of it
really matters to you. If the computer isn't ready to work, you can get
up and get a cup of coffee. You can go for a walk or run an errand. I,
and others like me who use a computer for work, don't have that luxury.

Fortunately, we still have options. For me, that's Windows 7 and a
highly customized Windows 8.1. Highly customized because it literally
took me two years to get Windows 8.1 tamed to where I could start to
depend on it. I could do it faster now, of course, but back then it was
new and people were in the midst of discovering and remediating the
various weaknesses and shortcomings. Now we're in the same situation
with Windows 10, but so far we're finding that the most egregious
behaviors have no easy remedies.