Build 1074 feels like Linux

A wrote:
GreyCloud wrote:
A wrote:

GreyCloud wrote:
A wrote:

Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 7:03 AM, A wrote:

Maybe it's because you couldn't figure out why it wouldn't boot
technically? How come the PC shops can get one of these working in a
few minutes then, like the Geek Squad from BestBuy?


They can't.

So you say.



Repair was greyed out. No other option other than reformat or quit and
reboot to the same **** over and over again to the same options. What
would have you done?


Repair would not be an option, if the partition structure
cannot be seen. Your first step in such cases, is
"proving a disk is a disk". The Windows repair is not
likely to ever become sophisticated enough, to attempt
data recovery, doing the equivalent of TestDisk. Too much
room for "destruction" and lawsuits.

By wimping out, a Repair facility leaves an opportunity
for third parties to make some money. And take the
associated risk.

Also, a Repair attempt may fail, if all the key system
files are hidden. There is at least one malware, that
hides files. If enough key files cannot be spotted by
Repair, it would conclude it is not looking at a system
or boot partition.

Paul

On 06/14/2015 11:27 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
T wrote:

On 06/13/2015 02:00 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
Oh my goodness!!! M$ has a long history of
patches breaking all kinds of things.

I've yet to experience that yet.

You are charmed. Do a good search and you will get
an ear full

Maybe it's because my HP tower with ECC ram makes things more smoothly
running without errors?

I build workstations with ECC. Windows still is a pain in the ass.
Love Intel's C2xx chipset.

Building a nice computer helps Windows a little and I do recommend it.
But, that said, I have had Windows computers that were in such bad
shape hardware wise that they would not run Windows. One that
comes to mind had been thrown into a dumpster by a thief and
later recovered by the police. It now runs FC21 flawlessly.

I'm sure we both can google for a lot of problems on both sides of the
fence.
I pulled the win7 hard drive out and put a new identical hard drive and
installed RedHat. The only issues I had was playing dvds, but I used my
support and they added a separate repository to the list and it
upgraded/added a few libs and programs. Works now. I tried VLC but its
features weren't what I wanted, just a player and nothing more.
The only real complaint I have is with gcc and that isn't RedHats area.

Just install to a USB3 stick and watch Red Hat blaze away.

I have a RC22 USB3 stick with all my cool tools on it. I typically
have to boot it from USB2, but not always. Even at USB 2, the
stick performs faster than native Windows.

I much prefer Suns C/C++ compiler set. I also like the way that Visual
Studio tools work and well integrated when doing windows work. Actually it
is the best I've seen.

I used Solaris 24+ years ago. I liked their offerings. They
killed themselves by being too expensive when the PC revolution
hit. Same with Netware. Sun had great tech support. Solaris
was also not where all the innovations was, like in open source.

On 06/14/2015 02:10 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
Roger Blake wrote:

I have Solaris 10, tho there is now Solaris 11, that is free as well.
You can also download their compiler set for free as well. I know it is a
real UNIX. Solaris 10 comes with both Java Desktop and CDE window managers.

The only real problem is that after 30 days, the updates cost a bit of
money, so it may not be what you are willing to try tho.


Ah Ha! I was wondering!

On 2015-06-14 10:28 PM, T wrote:
On 06/14/2015 11:27 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
T wrote:

On 06/13/2015 02:00 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
Oh my goodness!!! M$ has a long history of
patches breaking all kinds of things.

I've yet to experience that yet.

You are charmed. Do a good search and you will get
an ear full

Maybe it's because my HP tower with ECC ram makes things more smoothly
running without errors?

I build workstations with ECC. Windows still is a pain in the ass.
Love Intel's C2xx chipset.

Building a nice computer helps Windows a little and I do recommend it.
But, that said, I have had Windows computers that were in such bad
shape hardware wise that they would not run Windows. One that
comes to mind had been thrown into a dumpster by a thief and
later recovered by the police. It now runs FC21 flawlessly.

Sure it does.

I'm sure we both can google for a lot of problems on both sides of the
fence.
I pulled the win7 hard drive out and put a new identical hard drive and
installed RedHat. The only issues I had was playing dvds, but I used my
support and they added a separate repository to the list and it
upgraded/added a few libs and programs. Works now. I tried VLC but its
features weren't what I wanted, just a player and nothing more.
The only real complaint I have is with gcc and that isn't RedHats area.

Just install to a USB3 stick and watch Red Hat blaze away.

I have a RC22 USB3 stick with all my cool tools on it. I typically
have to boot it from USB2, but not always. Even at USB 2, the
stick performs faster than native Windows.

What a lying sack of ****! An operating system running on a USB2 stick
where the transfer rate is a maximum of 480 Megabits per second is
faster than an installation of Windows running on a minimum of Parallel
ATA with a transfer rate of 133 MegaBYTES per second. At _BEST_, the
USB2 operating system would run at half the speed of a native
installation but as we all know, very few USB2 sticks ever reach 480
megabits per second anyway.

This Linux Loser Liar's Club is seriously idiotic.

snip more idiocy

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Proud "wintroll"
Encrypt.

T wrote:

On 06/14/2015 11:27 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
T wrote:

On 06/13/2015 02:00 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
Oh my goodness!!! M$ has a long history of
patches breaking all kinds of things.

I've yet to experience that yet.

You are charmed. Do a good search and you will get
an ear full

Maybe it's because my HP tower with ECC ram makes things more smoothly
running without errors?

I build workstations with ECC. Windows still is a pain in the ass.
Love Intel's C2xx chipset.

Building a nice computer helps Windows a little and I do recommend it.
But, that said, I have had Windows computers that were in such bad
shape hardware wise that they would not run Windows. One that
comes to mind had been thrown into a dumpster by a thief and
later recovered by the police. It now runs FC21 flawlessly.

I'm sure we both can google for a lot of problems on both sides of the
fence.
I pulled the win7 hard drive out and put a new identical hard drive and
installed RedHat. The only issues I had was playing dvds, but I used my
support and they added a separate repository to the list and it
upgraded/added a few libs and programs. Works now. I tried VLC but its
features weren't what I wanted, just a player and nothing more.
The only real complaint I have is with gcc and that isn't RedHats area.

Just install to a USB3 stick and watch Red Hat blaze away.

I have a RC22 USB3 stick with all my cool tools on it. I typically
have to boot it from USB2, but not always. Even at USB 2, the
stick performs faster than native Windows.

I much prefer Suns C/C++ compiler set. I also like the way that Visual
Studio tools work and well integrated when doing windows work. Actually
it is the best I've seen.

I used Solaris 24+ years ago. I liked their offerings. They
killed themselves by being too expensive when the PC revolution
hit. Same with Netware. Sun had great tech support. Solaris
was also not where all the innovations was, like in open source.

Solaris is free for the download now. Oracle also offers their own Linux
free for the download as well. Their JavaDesktop is quite nice to look at
and they modified FireFox a bit with their own custom additions that are
nice to use, like instant weather maps for your own area at the bottom of
the browser screen. But the biggie is their compiler set. They have a lib
that none of the other compiler vendors have and that is interval math.

Slimer wrote:

On 2015-06-14 10:28 PM, T wrote:
On 06/14/2015 11:27 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
T wrote:

On 06/13/2015 02:00 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
Oh my goodness!!! M$ has a long history of
patches breaking all kinds of things.

I've yet to experience that yet.

You are charmed. Do a good search and you will get
an ear full

Maybe it's because my HP tower with ECC ram makes things more smoothly
running without errors?

I build workstations with ECC. Windows still is a pain in the ass.
Love Intel's C2xx chipset.

Building a nice computer helps Windows a little and I do recommend it.
But, that said, I have had Windows computers that were in such bad
shape hardware wise that they would not run Windows. One that
comes to mind had been thrown into a dumpster by a thief and
later recovered by the police. It now runs FC21 flawlessly.

Sure it does.

I'm sure we both can google for a lot of problems on both sides of the
fence.
I pulled the win7 hard drive out and put a new identical hard drive and
installed RedHat. The only issues I had was playing dvds, but I used my
support and they added a separate repository to the list and it
upgraded/added a few libs and programs. Works now. I tried VLC but its
features weren't what I wanted, just a player and nothing more.
The only real complaint I have is with gcc and that isn't RedHats area.

Just install to a USB3 stick and watch Red Hat blaze away.

I have a RC22 USB3 stick with all my cool tools on it. I typically
have to boot it from USB2, but not always. Even at USB 2, the
stick performs faster than native Windows.

What a lying sack of ****! An operating system running on a USB2 stick
where the transfer rate is a maximum of 480 Megabits per second is
faster than an installation of Windows running on a minimum of Parallel
ATA with a transfer rate of 133 MegaBYTES per second. At _BEST_, the
USB2 operating system would run at half the speed of a native
installation but as we all know, very few USB2 sticks ever reach 480
megabits per second anyway.

This Linux Loser Liar's Club is seriously idiotic.

snip more idiocy

I already told him I had installed a new hard drive and put RedHat on it.
Didn't seem to sink in for some reason... the hard drive is a 15k rpm type.

T wrote:

On 06/14/2015 02:01 AM, A wrote:
T wrote:
On 06/13/2015 02:00 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
Oh my goodness!!! M$ has a long history of
patches breaking all kinds of things.

I've yet to experience that yet.

You are charmed. Do a good search and you will get
an ear full






Searching for people having problems with Windows comes up with no
results? Puhlease.



https://duckduckgo.com/?q=list+of+fa...indows+updates

Buried in the noise are actual historical lists of
all of them. I sent these to Char a few months back.

Funny how all of the windows updates worked correctly on my computer.

T wrote:

On 06/14/2015 11:29 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
A wrote:

Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-14 10:59 AM, A wrote:

Idiocy

Not worth it.


Courageous people admit it when they're wrong. Weak cowards like you
just hurl lies and insults.


Go to cola and get your rewards there. This is a windows 10 preview
newsgroup. We aren't interested in your childish insults or form of
conversion.

I've got both linux and windows. I find that windows is far more
forgiving than linux.



I do both too. My experience is the other way around. I don't
have to keep mirrors of my Linux programs around. 1) Linux does not
require that to do a full recovery, and 2) Windows is a pain in the
ass.

I've yet to have any windows problems at all. Maybe you should just get a
decent HP tower. They are much better built.


I think it may be that you haven't tried a modem Linux spin in a while.
I sent you a link to a bunch of Fedora spins a few posts ago.
If you try them, I'd love your impression of Gnome. It ha gotten
really weird.

And what's wrong with the latest RedHat paid Linux with support?
The problem I see lays in the gnu/gcc decisions that were made and one
command line switch (-c89) doesn't work for older code styles like it
should. To me it is almost a show stopper.
The other linux distros provide a program called xmkmf that was orignally
developed by Tektronix to compile programs written for Motif. But it
doesn't work because the distro developers didn't configure it.
I've found that to be the easiest program to generate programs rather than
configure.

Gnome is what is used in Solaris 10 on JavaDesktop.

A wrote:

GreyCloud wrote:
A wrote:

GreyCloud wrote:
A wrote:

Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 7:03 AM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-12 6:33 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 18:18:27 -0400
Slimer wrote:

On 2015-06-12 4:47 PM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 13:36:57 -0700, T wrote:

On 06/11/2015 12:56 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
The problem with Linux distros is that when they come out with
a new version they always introduce new bugs.

As opposed to Windows? Oh my goodness!!! M$ has a long
history of
patches breaking all kinds of things. And their OS updates
have a habit of breaking most everything, which is the point,
so you have to buy updates and spend $$$$ on programmers, who
have to buy software from M$ to write those programs.

And as far as Linux goes, the things I have noticed getting
broken
as trivial. And the new bugs that get introduced a far fewer
than the bugs that get fixed.

And, And, you can always get Red Hat Enterprise Linux (or
clones), where things are locked down from that sort of thing
for 10 years!

I can't be sure, but Linux has a .0000005% of the desktop users
at the most ??

1.5%, give or take. People tend to try it out and lose their ****
within the first week of its installation because an update broke
some of the functionality or left them with an unusable desktop.

Why don't you quit lying and tell the truth for a change? I have
never
known an update to break anything. The people that give up in a
week, just won't accept the fact that Linux is a completely
different
operating system, and take the time to learn how to use it.
Instead they give up and run back to something that is more
comfortable and familiar to them.

I moved to Linux to get away from the Spyware that Windows is, and
promised myself that I wouldn't go back, and I haven't.

I probably had more trouble learning how to use Linux Mint without
screwing it up so bad it was useless, than anyone, but I stuck
with it, and had people to help me, and I'm still using it 18
months later.

I'm lying about updates breaking the system? Let's see...

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ch-update-%3D-
break-4175438110/



Three years old.


https://superuser.com/questions/3729...d-an-efi-bios-
update-
break-the-efi-boot-manager





Two years old.
https://askubuntu.com/questions/2231...package-after-
update-
linux-headers-error-brokencount-0




A year old and Ubuntu isn't as good as Mint.


https://unix.stackexchange.com/quest...t-update-with-
nvidia-breaks-cinnamon




Two years old and three Linux versions behind.



http://www.webupd8.org/2014/09/recen...buntu-desktop-
on.html




A year old.

https://forum.sabayon.org/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=32123

A year old and a few versions behind on a little known distro.


I'm sure all of those are lies as well.

Seems to me their problems rest between the keyboard and the chair,
just like you.


You might want to think twice about calling someone a liar when so
much evidence is available on the web. Take your Linux propaganda
and shove it up your ass, nobody here cares about the amateur code
you call an operating system.


Wrong again, I'm interested.

Ugh, manipulation. If the articles were just two weeks old, you would
actually say "two weeks old" as if it somehow forgave the operating
system. The point I was making was that updating Linux risks breaking
it. Your friend didn't believe me and I proved it with a number of
links. You can claim that it's an old problem and that it's been
fixed, but the reality is that it is a problem which has existed
since Linux's beginnings and it is still around.


I've never had that problem since 03. What am I doing wrong? It's easy
to find problems with *any* OS, dumb ass, even Windows. I worked on a
Windows laptop computer that would not boot. As the reboot on BSOD is
set by default, there was no way to read the BSOD code. It wouldn't go
into Safe Mode. Windows 7. Hardware, you'd say? Nope, WINDOWS. I
reinstalled Windows and it's been working fine for a couple of weeks
now. So if you think your little Google searches prove anything, I
want whatever it is you've been smoking.

Maybe it's because you couldn't figure out why it wouldn't boot
technically? How come the PC shops can get one of these working in a
few minutes then, like the Geek Squad from BestBuy?


They can't.

So you say.



Repair was greyed out. No other option other than reformat or quit and
reboot to the same **** over and over again to the same options. What
would have you done?

On older windows PCs, I used to grab a linux cd that has the ability to look
at the disk and see what was there. On todays PCs, I've yet to encounter a
problem on my HP tower. I think the real problem here are cheaply built PCs
and laptops where the vendor will take any kind of short cut to lower the
price. I won't buy into those kind of machines. It's just better to pay
for the quality and peace of mind.

On 2015-06-15, GreyCloud wrote:
Funny how all of the windows updates worked correctly on my computer.

Over the years I've seen updates trash Windows, OS/X, and Linux
systems. Doesn't happen often but it does happen. Recently Panda
Antivirus had a disastrous update to their product where their software
detected everything as a virus, including applications and the operating
system. Took down a whole department at one of my customers.

Software sucks. So does hardware. The ideal computer would have neither.

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Roger Blake wrote:

On 2015-06-14, GreyCloud wrote:
There is quite a bit of work to get FreeBSD installed. Almost everything
other than the os itself is done manually. Of course they do have
instructions to do this.

Not necessarily a problem for me. It's probably a breeze compared to what
we needed to do to get Unix Sixth Edition installed on a PDP-11, or for
that matter BSD 4.1 on a Vax.

Speaking of which, I still have my BSD 4.1 Programmer's Manual copyrighted
1981. Amazing that so many of the basic Unix commands are the same,
though of course they have been updated with new capabilities over
the years. Also this 1981 manual repeatedly uses the term "internet"
in its networking sections and describes protocols that are unnamed but
clearly development versions of TCP and UDP. Leafing through this manual
is an interesting journey through history.


I wished that VMS 5.4 had TCP/IP built in. As it were, we had to purchase
it from a 3rd party vendor.
The BSD C compiler I hear was a pretty good compiler. Today's gcc won't
compile the old code like their previous versions could. The GNU bunch
keeps changing things around breaking a few things. That's why I like Suns
C compiler plus they still have linkable lint libs to use for
troubleshooting.

I have Solaris 10, tho there is now Solaris 11, that is free as well.
You can also download their compiler set for free as well. I know it is
a
real UNIX. Solaris 10 comes with both Java Desktop and CDE window
managers.

Thanks, maybe I'll give that spin.

Just run it under VMware Player and it'll work. A lot easier.
The only problem you have to deal with is allocating disk space for each
slice.

Roger Blake wrote:

On 2015-06-15, GreyCloud wrote:
Funny how all of the windows updates worked correctly on my computer.

Over the years I've seen updates trash Windows, OS/X, and Linux
systems. Doesn't happen often but it does happen. Recently Panda
Antivirus had a disastrous update to their product where their software
detected everything as a virus, including applications and the operating
system. Took down a whole department at one of my customers.

Software sucks. So does hardware. The ideal computer would have neither.


I know, unfortunately. That's why I think this Win7 on an HP Tower will be
my last. I still have my other two 90s' vintage machines with Solaris and
VMS on them, but they won't be able to access much off webstys these days.

On 06/15/2015 03:30 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2015-06-15, GreyCloud wrote:
Funny how all of the windows updates worked correctly on my computer.

Over the years I've seen updates trash Windows, OS/X, and Linux
systems. Doesn't happen often but it does happen. Recently Panda
Antivirus had a disastrous update to their product where their software
detected everything as a virus, including applications and the operating
system. Took down a whole department at one of my customers.

Software sucks. So does hardware. The ideal computer would have neither.


I remember a $5 paper computer from Radio Shack that comes close.

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"Most men would kill the truth if truth would kill their religion."
[Lemuel K. Washburn, _Is The Bible Worth Reading And Other Essays_]

On 2015-06-16, Mark Lloyd wrote:
I remember a $5 paper computer from Radio Shack that comes close.

That's pretty good, probably even closer to the ideal than my old Digi-Comp I.

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On 06/15/2015 01:16 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
I've yet to have any windows problems at all. Maybe you should just get a
decent HP tower.

Hi GreyCloud,

My experience with HP is rather bad. Compaq and HP use
to compete with each other as to wish could make the
worst computers. Now it is a moot point. But then
again, yours may have cost more than the $400.00 my
customer's paid for theirs, which may be the problem
all around.

Seems now-a-days the only quality stuff has to be custom
made. Lenovo "seems" (watch the "weasel" word) to do
okay for a production computer. Dell, "maybe". The one
and only Dell W7 desktop at Costco seems to do alright
But is is more like 900.00 U$D, not $400.00.

Bear in mind that I only get called when there is
a problem that the customer has given up on trying to
fix himself. I get called on some really weird stuff.
Today's trouble call is on a Power PC that won't keep
its editor's configuration settings. If you are I.T.
for a particular group of people, you will only see
their specific problems, not the wide open mess I see.

Have you noticed that some of those cheap-assed HP's now
come without an internal power supply? I just had to shake
my head at a power cable with an inline power block
plugged into the back of the computer, like a printer's
power block. Oh my goodness!

-T