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  #46  
Old January 3rd 16, 04:32 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ed Mullen[_2_]
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Default It's a good day to upgrade

Stan Brown wrote on 1/2/2016 11:36 AM:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 22:15:00 -0500, Slimer wrote:

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On 2016-01-01 9:23 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 12:17:44 -0500, Slimer wrote:
You're ignoring Windows 7 which was a masterpiece and Windows 10
which, according to a list published today, is the version of
Windows with the least vulnerabilities.

Not counting the ones built in by Microsoft, of course.


By all means, provide us with a list of these build-in vulnerabilities.


You already know them -- Windows 10 sends all sorts of private
information to Microsoft.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/29740...w-to-turn-off-
windows-10s-keylogger-yes-it-still-has-one.html

is just the first hit of many, when one does a Google search.

Quote from Microsoft, requoted in that article: "When you interact
with your Windows device by speaking, writing (handwriting), or
typing, Microsoft collects speech, inking, and typing
information?including information about your Calendar and People
(also known as contacts)..."

And the same stuff is retrofitted int9o Windows 7 and 8 unless you
carefully reject any updates having to do with "telemetry".


But, the point seems to me to be that you CAN turn it off.



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  #47  
Old January 3rd 16, 04:33 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ed Mullen[_2_]
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Slimer wrote on 1/2/2016 12:19 PM:
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On 2016-01-02 11:36 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 22:15:00 -0500, Slimer wrote:

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On 2016-01-01 9:23 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 12:17:44 -0500, Slimer wrote:
You're ignoring Windows 7 which was a masterpiece and Windows
10 which, according to a list published today, is the version
of Windows with the least vulnerabilities.

Not counting the ones built in by Microsoft, of course.

By all means, provide us with a list of these build-in
vulnerabilities.


You already know them -- Windows 10 sends all sorts of private
information to Microsoft.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/29740...w-to-turn-off-
windows-10s-keylogger-yes-it-still-has-one.html

is just the first hit of many, when one does a Google search.

Quote from Microsoft, requoted in that article: "When you interact
with your Windows device by speaking, writing (handwriting), or
typing, Microsoft collects speech, inking, and typing
information?including information about your Calendar and People
(also known as contacts)..."

And the same stuff is retrofitted int9o Windows 7 and 8 unless you
carefully reject any updates having to do with "telemetry".


The problem that I have with PC World (and your) decision to call it a
keylogger is that keyloggers were traditionally used for the express
purpose of collecting usernames and passwords from unsuspecting
victims. In this case, Microsoft is using the supposed keylogger to
allow its search engine to predict what you are looking for (like
Google) and to enhance the services it offers to the user. As far as I
can tell, there is no real spying going on and they are not selling
user data, monitoring your activities or anything of the sort the way
Google does. It honestly feels like people are overreacting to
something which is nothing more than a necessity to allow certain
features to work correctly.

I might be wrong but the amount of evidence articles have presented so
far that Microsoft is doing something wrong has been very weak.


Yes, me too.

  #48  
Old January 3rd 16, 08:17 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
John Doe[_8_]
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I wrote:

Getting Windows 8 for $40 and now Windows 10 for free. Easy to
understand why, because Microsoft is under humongous reverse pressure
from ultraportable PCs and their operating systems. But I have a
feeling it's going to effect more than the price of Windows.


Unfortunately, it seems to be encouraging Microsoft to do the wrong
thing. Instead of Microsoft improving the desktop operating system,
Microsoft is trying harder to monopolize ultraportable PCs, and to hell
with the desktop.

This reminds me of the big Microsoft antitrust trial prior to 2000.
That's when Windows XP came out and ended the crappy consumer versions
of Windows power users had to restart several times during the day.
This huge pressure on Microsoft could result in another major
improvement of quality. No more sitting on its hands, at least for a
while.


Or maybe Microsoft is losing it. I've experienced several extremely long
delays that remind me of pre-Windows XP freezing. There is also the
appearance that programmers who don't know what they're doing are trying
to redesign Windows. None of the old annoyances have been fixed. And the
fact we have no control over updates is a huge glaring mistake.

Putting the tiles on the start menu does nothing for me. All I use the
Start screen for in Windows 8 is occasionally searching for a newly
installed application.

Time to upgrade. For me, much earlier than usual. I didn't even use
Windows Vista or Windows 7.


I will do a clean installation of Windows 8 instead. I suspect that's
what most Microsoft employees are using. Hopefully they won't eventually
trash Windows 8 worse than what they are doing with Windows 10.

Microsoft can forget about ultraportable PC domination, that war is
over. Opening up Windows might be the only thing to save Microsoft. Open
source would probably greatly enhance the desktop OS over time.
  #49  
Old January 3rd 16, 08:24 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
John Doe[_8_]
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Default It's a good day to upgrade

Slimer wrote:

Gradient title bars are seriously out of style. If you like that sort
of thing, you can use GNU/Linux though


That is so amusing. If you weren't born yesterday, you might remember a
time when Windows looked great and Linux looked like DOS. Being able to
make things look cool is what Windows was all about, ever since Windows
3.1 up until Windows XP. And now Windows 10 looks like ****.
  #50  
Old January 3rd 16, 08:43 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul
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Default It's a good day to upgrade

Slimer wrote:


I might be wrong but the amount of evidence articles have presented so
far that Microsoft is doing something wrong has been very weak.


Yes, they're only ethically challenged individuals,
with our best interests at heart.

I'm starting to tear up now. I was so wrong about
those executives.

Paul
  #51  
Old January 3rd 16, 12:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Stan Brown
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Default It's a good day to upgrade

On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 12:19:29 -0500, Slimer wrote:
The problem that I have with PC World (and your) decision to call it a
keylogger is that keyloggers were traditionally used for the express
purpose of collecting usernames and passwords from unsuspecting
victims. In this case, Microsoft is using the supposed keylogger to
allow its search engine to predict what you are looking for (like
Google) and to enhance the services it offers to the user.


Go ahead -- drink the Kool-Aid.

--
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http://BrownMath.com/
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
Shikata ga nai...
  #52  
Old January 3rd 16, 01:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
edevils
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Default It's a good day to upgrade

On 03/01/2016 12:43, Stan Brown wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 12:19:29 -0500, Slimer wrote:
The problem that I have with PC World (and your) decision to call it a
keylogger is that keyloggers were traditionally used for the express
purpose of collecting usernames and passwords from unsuspecting
victims. In this case, Microsoft is using the supposed keylogger to
allow its search engine to predict what you are looking for (like
Google) and to enhance the services it offers to the user.


Go ahead -- drink the Kool-Aid.


I don't drink the Kool-Aid but I don't wear the tinfoil hat either

  #53  
Old January 3rd 16, 04:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Slimer
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On 2016-01-03 2:17 AM, John Doe wrote:
I wrote:

Getting Windows 8 for $40 and now Windows 10 for free. Easy to
understand why, because Microsoft is under humongous reverse
pressure from ultraportable PCs and their operating systems. But
I have a feeling it's going to effect more than the price of
Windows.


Unfortunately, it seems to be encouraging Microsoft to do the wrong
thing. Instead of Microsoft improving the desktop operating
system, Microsoft is trying harder to monopolize ultraportable PCs,
and to hell with the desktop.


Perhaps because ultraportable PCs are hot sellers? As far as I know,
Windows 10 is an excellent compromise between those who want a desktop
experience and those who want a tablet experience. My wife has one
such ultraportable hybrid device and the transition from laptop to
tablet is seamless. I'm not sure what you're complaining about.

This reminds me of the big Microsoft antitrust trial prior to
2000. That's when Windows XP came out and ended the crappy
consumer versions of Windows power users had to restart several
times during the day. This huge pressure on Microsoft could
result in another major improvement of quality. No more sitting
on its hands, at least for a while.


Or maybe Microsoft is losing it. I've experienced several extremely
long delays that remind me of pre-Windows XP freezing. There is
also the appearance that programmers who don't know what they're
doing are trying to redesign Windows. None of the old annoyances
have been fixed. And the fact we have no control over updates is a
huge glaring mistake.

Putting the tiles on the start menu does nothing for me. All I use
the Start screen for in Windows 8 is occasionally searching for a
newly installed application.


Meanwhile, this group is discussing Windows 10 where tiles are very
well integrated.

Time to upgrade. For me, much earlier than usual. I didn't even
use Windows Vista or Windows 7.


I will do a clean installation of Windows 8 instead. I suspect
that's what most Microsoft employees are using. Hopefully they
won't eventually trash Windows 8 worse than what they are doing
with Windows 10.

Microsoft can forget about ultraportable PC domination, that war is
over. Opening up Windows might be the only thing to save
Microsoft. Open source would probably greatly enhance the desktop
OS over time.


Yeah, you're clearly off of your medication. Meanwhile, the Surface
Pro line is quickly becoming a device of choice for new customers and
the SurfaceBook demonstrates that Microsoft is still capable of
innovating and that it can make a fool out of Apple. I don't know what
delusion you have but it's affecting your ability to reason.

- --
Slimer
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  #54  
Old January 3rd 16, 04:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Slimer
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On 2016-01-03 2:24 AM, John Doe wrote:
Slimer wrote:

Gradient title bars are seriously out of style. If you like that
sort of thing, you can use GNU/Linux though


That is so amusing. If you weren't born yesterday, you might
remember a time when Windows looked great and Linux looked like
DOS.


I never said a thing about GNU/Linux looking better than Windows. My
original comment is right there but your reading ability is apparently
affected by the fact that you've run out of medication. Windows 10
looks fantastic whereas most of GNU/Linux looks awful and caters to
bitter old fossils like you who enjoyed the out-of-date, out-of-style
look.

Being able to make things look cool is what Windows was all about,
ever since Windows 3.1 up until Windows XP. And now Windows 10
looks like ****.


Windows was NEVER about "making things look cool." It was about
"making things work." If anything, GNU/Linux has _ALWAYS_ been a lot
more customizable than Windows.

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  #55  
Old January 3rd 16, 05:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Gary Heston
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Default It's a good day to upgrade

In article ,
Ed Mullen wrote:
[ ... ]

And the same stuff is retrofitted int9o Windows 7 and 8 unless you
carefully reject any updates having to do with "telemetry".


But, the point seems to me to be that you CAN turn it off.


Until Microsoft turns it back on with the next "security" update, which
they've shown they have no reservations about doing.


Gary

  #56  
Old January 3rd 16, 05:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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On 1/3/2016 9:50 AM, Slimer wrote:
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On 2016-01-03 2:17 AM, John Doe wrote:
I wrote:

Getting Windows 8 for $40 and now Windows 10 for free. Easy to
understand why, because Microsoft is under humongous reverse
pressure from ultraportable PCs and their operating systems. But
I have a feeling it's going to effect more than the price of
Windows.


Unfortunately, it seems to be encouraging Microsoft to do the wrong
thing. Instead of Microsoft improving the desktop operating
system, Microsoft is trying harder to monopolize ultraportable PCs,
and to hell with the desktop.


Perhaps because ultraportable PCs are hot sellers? As far as I know,
Windows 10 is an excellent compromise between those who want a desktop
experience and those who want a tablet experience. My wife has one
such ultraportable hybrid device and the transition from laptop to
tablet is seamless. I'm not sure what you're complaining about.

This reminds me of the big Microsoft antitrust trial prior to
2000. That's when Windows XP came out and ended the crappy
consumer versions of Windows power users had to restart several
times during the day. This huge pressure on Microsoft could
result in another major improvement of quality. No more sitting
on its hands, at least for a while.


Or maybe Microsoft is losing it. I've experienced several extremely
long delays that remind me of pre-Windows XP freezing. There is
also the appearance that programmers who don't know what they're
doing are trying to redesign Windows. None of the old annoyances
have been fixed. And the fact we have no control over updates is a
huge glaring mistake.

Putting the tiles on the start menu does nothing for me. All I use
the Start screen for in Windows 8 is occasionally searching for a
newly installed application.


Meanwhile, this group is discussing Windows 10 where tiles are very
well integrated.

Time to upgrade. For me, much earlier than usual. I didn't even
use Windows Vista or Windows 7.


I will do a clean installation of Windows 8 instead. I suspect
that's what most Microsoft employees are using. Hopefully they
won't eventually trash Windows 8 worse than what they are doing
with Windows 10.

Microsoft can forget about ultraportable PC domination, that war is
over. Opening up Windows might be the only thing to save
Microsoft. Open source would probably greatly enhance the desktop
OS over time.


Yeah, you're clearly off of your medication. Meanwhile, the Surface
Pro line is quickly becoming a device of choice for new customers and
the SurfaceBook demonstrates that Microsoft is still capable of
innovating and that it can make a fool out of Apple. I don't know what
delusion you have but it's affecting your ability to reason.

- --
Slimer
EFF & OpenMedia member / IFAW, Mozilla & PETA supporter
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John Doe is off his medications or has taken a triple dose, Hard to tell
which

Regards, Rene
  #57  
Old January 3rd 16, 06:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Stan Brown
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Default It's a good day to upgrade

On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 10:21:47 -0600, Gary Heston wrote:
In article ,
Ed Mullen wrote:
[ ... ]

[quoted text muted]
carefully reject any updates having to do with "telemetry".


But, the point seems to me to be that you CAN turn it off.


Until Microsoft turns it back on with the next "security" update, which
they've shown they have no reservations about doing.


Exactly.

Microsoft has taken years of building trust in the Windows update
process, and spent 2015 flushing that right down the drain.

But the Microsoft apologists here would rather not hear that, so they
resort to name-calling.

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http://BrownMath.com/
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
Shikata ga nai...
  #58  
Old January 3rd 16, 07:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.usenet,free.spirit
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Nothing but a troll...

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On 1/3/2016 9:50 AM, Slimer wrote:
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On 2016-01-03 2:17 AM, John Doe wrote:
I wrote:

Getting Windows 8 for $40 and now Windows 10 for free. Easy to
understand why, because Microsoft is under humongous reverse
pressure from ultraportable PCs and their operating systems. But
I have a feeling it's going to effect more than the price of
Windows.

Unfortunately, it seems to be encouraging Microsoft to do the wrong
thing. Instead of Microsoft improving the desktop operating
system, Microsoft is trying harder to monopolize ultraportable PCs,
and to hell with the desktop.


Perhaps because ultraportable PCs are hot sellers? As far as I know,
Windows 10 is an excellent compromise between those who want a desktop
experience and those who want a tablet experience. My wife has one
such ultraportable hybrid device and the transition from laptop to
tablet is seamless. I'm not sure what you're complaining about.

This reminds me of the big Microsoft antitrust trial prior to
2000. That's when Windows XP came out and ended the crappy
consumer versions of Windows power users had to restart several
times during the day. This huge pressure on Microsoft could
result in another major improvement of quality. No more sitting
on its hands, at least for a while.

Or maybe Microsoft is losing it. I've experienced several extremely
long delays that remind me of pre-Windows XP freezing. There is
also the appearance that programmers who don't know what they're
doing are trying to redesign Windows. None of the old annoyances
have been fixed. And the fact we have no control over updates is a
huge glaring mistake.

Putting the tiles on the start menu does nothing for me. All I use
the Start screen for in Windows 8 is occasionally searching for a
newly installed application.


Meanwhile, this group is discussing Windows 10 where tiles are very
well integrated.

Time to upgrade. For me, much earlier than usual. I didn't even
use Windows Vista or Windows 7.

I will do a clean installation of Windows 8 instead. I suspect
that's what most Microsoft employees are using. Hopefully they
won't eventually trash Windows 8 worse than what they are doing
with Windows 10.

Microsoft can forget about ultraportable PC domination, that war is
over. Opening up Windows might be the only thing to save
Microsoft. Open source would probably greatly enhance the desktop
OS over time.


Yeah, you're clearly off of your medication. Meanwhile, the Surface
Pro line is quickly becoming a device of choice for new customers and
the SurfaceBook demonstrates that Microsoft is still capable of
innovating and that it can make a fool out of Apple. I don't know what
delusion you have but it's affecting your ability to reason.

- --
Slimer
EFF & OpenMedia member / IFAW, Mozilla & PETA supporter
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John Doe is off his medications or has taken a triple dose, Hard to tell
which

Regards, Rene



  #59  
Old January 3rd 16, 07:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.usenet,free.spirit
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Nothing but a troll...

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On 2016-01-03 2:17 AM, John Doe wrote:
I wrote:

Getting Windows 8 for $40 and now Windows 10 for free. Easy to
understand why, because Microsoft is under humongous reverse
pressure from ultraportable PCs and their operating systems. But
I have a feeling it's going to effect more than the price of
Windows.


Unfortunately, it seems to be encouraging Microsoft to do the wrong
thing. Instead of Microsoft improving the desktop operating
system, Microsoft is trying harder to monopolize ultraportable PCs,
and to hell with the desktop.


Perhaps because ultraportable PCs are hot sellers? As far as I know,
Windows 10 is an excellent compromise between those who want a desktop
experience and those who want a tablet experience. My wife has one
such ultraportable hybrid device and the transition from laptop to
tablet is seamless. I'm not sure what you're complaining about.

This reminds me of the big Microsoft antitrust trial prior to
2000. That's when Windows XP came out and ended the crappy
consumer versions of Windows power users had to restart several
times during the day. This huge pressure on Microsoft could
result in another major improvement of quality. No more sitting
on its hands, at least for a while.


Or maybe Microsoft is losing it. I've experienced several extremely
long delays that remind me of pre-Windows XP freezing. There is
also the appearance that programmers who don't know what they're
doing are trying to redesign Windows. None of the old annoyances
have been fixed. And the fact we have no control over updates is a
huge glaring mistake.

Putting the tiles on the start menu does nothing for me. All I use
the Start screen for in Windows 8 is occasionally searching for a
newly installed application.


Meanwhile, this group is discussing Windows 10 where tiles are very
well integrated.

Time to upgrade. For me, much earlier than usual. I didn't even
use Windows Vista or Windows 7.


I will do a clean installation of Windows 8 instead. I suspect
that's what most Microsoft employees are using. Hopefully they
won't eventually trash Windows 8 worse than what they are doing
with Windows 10.

Microsoft can forget about ultraportable PC domination, that war is
over. Opening up Windows might be the only thing to save
Microsoft. Open source would probably greatly enhance the desktop
OS over time.


Yeah, you're clearly off of your medication. Meanwhile, the Surface
Pro line is quickly becoming a device of choice for new customers and
the SurfaceBook demonstrates that Microsoft is still capable of
innovating and that it can make a fool out of Apple. I don't know what
delusion you have but it's affecting your ability to reason.

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Old January 3rd 16, 07:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.usenet,free.spirit
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Default It's a good day to upgrade

A typical UseNet troll that makes UseNet suck for discussion....

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On 2016-01-03 2:24 AM, John Doe wrote:
Slimer .m nsn.s wrote:

Gradient title bars are seriously out of style. If you like that
sort of thing, you can use GNU/Linux though


That is so amusing. If you weren't born yesterday, you might
remember a time when Windows looked great and Linux looked like
DOS.


I never said a thing about GNU/Linux looking better than Windows. My
original comment is right there but your reading ability is apparently
affected by the fact that you've run out of medication. Windows 10
looks fantastic whereas most of GNU/Linux looks awful and caters to
bitter old fossils like you who enjoyed the out-of-date, out-of-style
look.

Being able to make things look cool is what Windows was all about,
ever since Windows 3.1 up until Windows XP. And now Windows 10
looks like ****.


Windows was NEVER about "making things look cool." It was about
"making things work." If anything, GNU/Linux has _ALWAYS_ been a lot
more customizable than Windows.

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