[OT] Why you should use windows 8

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:50:06 -0400, cully when wrote:

Why not give Class Shell a go, http://classicshell.net. It brings back
the start menu and your desktop resembles Windows 7.

Actually, I found a better workaround then a program. I placed the task manager in the desktop toolbar, and a shortcut to my
control panel on the desktop. Then I placed file folders such as games, utilities, office, etc. Were I place shortcuts to all
the programs on my computer. The command prompt, run, search, and shutdown feature are located in the lower left-hand corner,
and you press the left mouse button when the little window symbol pops up. So, everything is at my fingertips to spite
Windows attempt at hiding things I use regularly.

The first thing I did was purchased two outstanding e-books with these ideas and workarounds for Windows 8.1 called Windows
8.1 Superguide by Matthew Buxton, and Top 100 tips for Windows 8.1 by Tim Sievers. The day I purchased the computer. I also
purchased a hard copy book called Windows 8 All-in-One For Dummies by Woody Leonhard, and I soon purchased a Kindle edition
which has been revised for Windows 8.1.

In them, I discovered these workarounds that made Windows 8.1 bearable to spite the fact they want to make a desktop computer
look like an android tablet, which is totally ridiculous. Tablets or smart phones have their purpose, and a desktop computer
has its purpose; it's too bad Windows hasn't figured that out. Maybe if some of the brainiac at Windows will come out of
their office cubicles and join the real world. Then they will see what people use a home desktop computer; gaming, word
processing, keeping up with current events, or whatever. Smart phones, and Android Tablets are for computing on the go. Then
when you want to put it all together, you sit down at your desktop for serious work or play.

As to the claims that Windows 8.1 is more stable than seven is debatable. It all depends on the software used to monitor your
system for spyware, viruses, etc. I do not trust Windows, and have disabled the firewall, replacing it with a program called
Comodo Firewall, Malwarebytes Anti-Malware, and AVG Antivirus 2014. Comodo Firewall was a recommended replacement in Windows
8 All-in-One For Dummies by Woody Leonhard. Since I have followed these recommendations, my computer system has not had any
issues or trouble with viruses, spyware, malware. I also use a number of registry cleaners like CCleaner Professional,
Auslogics Registry Cleaner, Wise Registry Cleaner, JetClean, and Glary Utilities 5. All of them keep my registry clean, and
my computer running smoothly for the past year and a half. I use SlimDrivers to ensure my drivers are all up to date.

So, I have a complete package that keeps my Windows 8.1 computer running smoothly. I've been playing with computers since I
own a Commodore Pet, Vic 20, 64, 128, and my first IBM-compatible, which was a DtK 286 with DOS 3.1. A dinosaur in today's
standards, and I ran a Telegard Bulletin Board with good old FidoNet; long before the Internet came out. Yep, the good old
days; when the NSA had to do things the hard way to spy on you.

Regards,

Bookworm Cowboy
Lakeland, Florida

On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:42:13 +0100, Bob H wrote:

Some folk just don't want to find out about some things and expect them
to work straight of of the box. If they don't then they start to
complain etc.

Ah, another anti-Linux "fact" by Ballmer.
That's why people MUST use Windows.
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:45:31 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

Oh my oh my oh my, we don't want to find out anything about the devices
we use, do we?

Pardon my testiness, but I'm getting kinda fried by complaints from
people who haven't a clue about to make their machines behave the way
they want.

You don't have to have those tiles "cluttering up your screen".

a) You can click on the Desktop tile to get there;
b) You can boot directly into the desktop;
c) You can Delete the tiles you don't want;
d) You can use Classic Shell or Start8 to get your familiar desktop back;
e) You add ModernMix to Start8, and the "apps" will behave like regular
programs (which in fact they are).

Have a good day,

Likewise, I'm getting kinda fried by people who claim they are able to use
the traditional desktop interface exclusively. Not most of the time, but
exclusively. Frankly, they are either not quite telling the truth, or they
use so few of their computer's capabilities that they never run into the
countless situations that cause the Modern UI to pop up.

No clue, indeed. *sigh*

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:42:30 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:45:31 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:


Oh my oh my oh my, we don't want to find out anything about the devices
we use, do we?

Pardon my testiness, but I'm getting kinda fried by complaints from
people who haven't a clue about to make their machines behave the way
they want.


Ditto!

It would be a ditto situation if it were true, but alas, it's not.

On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 05:27:02 -0400, Boolworm Cowboy wrote:

I also use a number of registry cleaners like CCleaner Professional, Auslogics Registry Cleaner, Wise Registry Cleaner,
JetClean, and Glary Utilities 5. All of them keep my registry clean, and my computer running smoothly for the past year
and a half.

Why would you want a "clean" registry? What does it do for you?

I use SlimDrivers to ensure my drivers are all up to date.

Same questions as above.

Char Jackson wrote:

Likewise, I'm getting kinda fried by people who claim they are able to use
the traditional desktop interface exclusively. Not most of the time, but
exclusively. Frankly, they are either not quite telling the truth, or they
use so few of their computer's capabilities that they never run into the
countless situations that cause the Modern UI to pop up.

No clue, indeed. *sigh*



I agree it's relatively impossible to avoid the Modern UI since the
Modern UI is not just the Start Screen.

Many of those claims appear to be centered on just the Modern UI Start
Screen component/feature.


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A clean registry makes the computer boot faster and programs load faster.
not by a huge amount of time you can measure but it does have an affect .


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On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 05:27:02 -0400, Boolworm Cowboy
wrote:

I also use a number of registry cleaners like CCleaner Professional,
Auslogics Registry Cleaner, Wise Registry Cleaner,
JetClean, and Glary Utilities 5. All of them keep my registry clean, and
my computer running smoothly for the past year
and a half.

Why would you want a "clean" registry? What does it do for you?

I use SlimDrivers to ensure my drivers are all up to date.

Same questions as above.

Andy wrote:
A clean registry makes the computer boot faster and programs load faster.
not by a huge amount of time you can measure but it does have an affect .



First, you'll need to time the boot time before the "cleaning".

You'll need to boot multiple times. Then develop a "mean" and
"standard deviation". This is because boot time is not constant
to begin with. It varies from one attempt to the next. You
will also need a clearly defined "event" to "stop trace", to
even figure out what the time is. Even with BootVis, this is
not exactly easy.

Now, "clean" the registry.

Repeat a set of reboots, say a dozen of them. For the new
dozen reboots, work out the "mean value" and the "standard deviation".

Is the mean significantly different, between one population
of boots and the next ?

As a junior scientist, that's what you're about to find out.

*******

Say the Registry has 200,000 entries and you remove a
100 blank entries. The time to read the file goes from
0.5 seconds (for 50MB worth of registry files), to
0.49975 seconds, a saving of 250 microseconds.
Will you bask in the sun, and drink a Pina Colada in
that time ? It's a pretty short time saving.

The Registry, if you watch with Process Monitor, is accessed
constantly. There might be around a couple hundred accesses a
second, as a form of background activity. Yet, the disk drive
light does not flash. That tells you that for at least
those entries, they're cached (likely in the system file cache).
Your RAM has a speed of maybe 4GB/sec, up to 15GB/sec say.
In other words, that RAM cache is damn fast.

The Registry is a database. I don't have any articles
which classify the database type, but people stopped
using linear lookup on such things many years ago. The
lookup is very efficient.

The possibility of a clean registry making any difference,
is slim to none. The Registry would have to be intentionally
damaged (i.e. write a special program to add a million blank
entries), and then, woah, baby, big saving. But for regular
users, who are not hackers, and don't purposely set out
to overpower the Registry with crap, that simply isn't going to happen.

Paul

On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 01:17:42 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

Likewise, I'm getting kinda fried by people who claim they are
able to use the traditional desktop interface exclusively. Not
most of the time, but exclusively. Frankly, they are either not
quite telling the truth, or they use so few of their computer's
capabilities that they never run into the countless situations
that cause the Modern UI to pop up.

No clue, indeed. *sigh*


I agree it's relatively impossible to avoid the Modern UI since
the Modern UI is not just the Start Screen.

Many of those claims appear to be centered on just the Modern UI
Start Screen component/feature.

Why is this stuff copied to alt.comp.freeware? Has Windows suddenly
become free?

mechanic wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 01:17:42 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

Likewise, I'm getting kinda fried by people who claim they are
able to use the traditional desktop interface exclusively. Not
most of the time, but exclusively. Frankly, they are either not
quite telling the truth, or they use so few of their computer's
capabilities that they never run into the countless situations
that cause the Modern UI to pop up.

No clue, indeed. *sigh*


I agree it's relatively impossible to avoid the Modern UI since
the Modern UI is not just the Start Screen.

Many of those claims appear to be centered on just the Modern UI
Start Screen component/feature.

Why is this stuff copied to alt.comp.freeware? Has Windows suddenly
become free?


It can be if you know how to do it.

--
Alias

"Char Jackson" wrote in message


Likewise, I'm getting kinda fried by people who claim they are able to
use
the traditional desktop interface exclusively. Not most of the time, but
exclusively. Frankly, they are either not quite telling the truth, or
they
use so few of their computer's capabilities that they never run into the
countless situations that cause the Modern UI to pop up.

What situations are those?

The only time mine pops up is when I want it to; and about the only time I
want it to is when I want to do a general search for something at which
time Winkey + Shift gets me there and Winkey alone gets me back out.

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On 7/31/2014 8:38 AM, dadiOH wrote:
"Char Jackson" wrote in message


Likewise, I'm getting kinda fried by people who claim they are able to
use
the traditional desktop interface exclusively. Not most of the time, but
exclusively. Frankly, they are either not quite telling the truth, or
they
use so few of their computer's capabilities that they never run into the
countless situations that cause the Modern UI to pop up.

What situations are those?

The only time mine pops up is when I want it to; and about the only time
I want it to is when I want to do a general search for something at
which time Winkey + Shift gets me there and Winkey alone gets me back out.

I too am one of those people who work from the Windows 8.1 Desktop
exclusively.

There are two normal times I see the Modern Interface. One when I play
Solitaire and the when I play Mahjong. These are pinned to the Desktop
Taskbar so when I "close" them they return to the desktop.

If I need any computer functions such as Control Panel, Network
Management, Computer Management and Device Manager; I access them
through the MS Icon on the desktop tool bar. Task Manager can be
accessed from the MS Icon or the Desktop Taskbar.

That leaves the File Explorer, and I have it pinned to the desktop
Taskbar, with all of the other programs I use routinely. The nice thing
about Windows 8 is that I can access the files I used in any of the
programs pinned to the taskbar, by right clicking on the program icon.

The only time I go to the Start/Apps menu is when I wish to explore what
is in Windows 8. And that is rarely.

On 07/31/2014 09:22 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/31/2014 8:38 AM, dadiOH wrote:
"Char Jackson" wrote in message


Likewise, I'm getting kinda fried by people who claim they are able to
use
the traditional desktop interface exclusively. Not most of the time, but
exclusively. Frankly, they are either not quite telling the truth, or
they
use so few of their computer's capabilities that they never run into the
countless situations that cause the Modern UI to pop up.

What situations are those?

The only time mine pops up is when I want it to; and about the only time
I want it to is when I want to do a general search for something at
which time Winkey + Shift gets me there and Winkey alone gets me back out.

I too am one of those people who work from the Windows 8.1 Desktop
exclusively.

There are two normal times I see the Modern Interface. One when I play
Solitaire and the when I play Mahjong. These are pinned to the Desktop
Taskbar so when I "close" them they return to the desktop.

If I need any computer functions such as Control Panel, Network
Management, Computer Management and Device Manager; I access them
through the MS Icon on the desktop tool bar. Task Manager can be
accessed from the MS Icon or the Desktop Taskbar.

That leaves the File Explorer, and I have it pinned to the desktop
Taskbar, with all of the other programs I use routinely. The nice thing
about Windows 8 is that I can access the files I used in any of the
programs pinned to the taskbar, by right clicking on the program icon.

The only time I go to the Start/Apps menu is when I wish to explore what
is in Windows 8. And that is rarely.







Same here only I don't ever use the apps in the start page. I deleted
all of the apps except two that it wouldn't let me delete.
I would like to know what of my computer's capabilities I am missing.

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Caver1

On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 02:19:14 -0400, "Andy" wrote:

A clean registry makes the computer boot faster and programs load faster.
not by a huge amount of time you can measure but it does have an affect .


Not at all true.

On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:11:45 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:


Likewise, I'm getting kinda fried by people who claim they are able to use
the traditional desktop interface exclusively. Not most of the time, but
exclusively. Frankly, they are either not quite telling the truth, or they
use so few of their computer's capabilities that they never run into the
countless situations that cause the Modern UI to pop up.



I'm one of those who say that, and I fall into neither of the
categories you describe.

Or to be completely honest, very very occasionally, I will take a very
brief look at the Modern interface, but because I want to, not because
it "pops up." It never pops up by itself here.