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Clueless troll...
-- Char Jackson none none.invalid wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!peer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad.highwinds-media.com!fx24.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Char Jackson none none.invalid Newsgroups: alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,free.usenet,free.spirit Subject: Next version of Windows is... Message-ID: u9sp2a97iicb1e71bpvs620oevd28ejn0q 4ax.com References: m0ep5f$en4$1 nocheese.eternal-september.org m0eqnl$od7$1 dont-email.me m0fhi1$3nb$2 news.albasani.net m0fncp$sqs$1 dont-email.me m0gvou$lpb$4 news.albasani.net rhko2at33ma2l696hh2dndokarssko8sf1 4ax.com m0hulq$q6d$1 dont-email.me 0Z1Xv.393331$UR.191362 fx04.iad m0ifcm$sfn$1 dont-email.me 5qlp2ahdhlghrda2jica1i1h72omnt2s3l 4ax.com m0ioj6$6op$1 dont-email.me X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 X-Complaints-To: abuse easynews.com Organization: Easynews - www.easynews.com X-Complaints-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 01:35:42 -0500 X-Received-Bytes: 1794 X-Received-Body-CRC: 1081097701 Xref: news.eternal-september.org alt.windows7.general:110133 alt.comp.os.windows-8:18931 free.usenet:6954359 free.spirit:2256 On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 05:41:59 +0000 (UTC), John Doe always.look message.header wrote: Anybody who knows anything about computers knows that desktops are more powerful than laptops. I suppose you'll redefine powerful now, just as you did with portable, but for the standard definition of powerful your statement above is rubbish. Some desktops are more powerful than some laptops. The reverse is also true. I'm betting you knew that. And another no-brainer is that laptops and smaller computers are meant to run off of batteries. By "meant to", I assume you meant "capable of", not that I expect you to know the difference. You're really not very good with words. |
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 17:31:36 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote: On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 20:28:24 +0200, "s|b" wrote: Well, the number spoken English does sound like the German word for "no", and marketing people do take heed of things like that. To be clear, you're talking about the number "nine", which is "Neun" in German. "nein" is "no" in German. Exactly what I said. Say "nine" in English and it sounds very much like the German word for "no". I think Microsoft Windows is known as Windows in every country, so plenty of people would hear it spoken of as "Windows Nine", which to a German would sound like "Windows No", which is hardly encouraging. Wouldn't a German hear "Vindows Nein"? That's what they'd hear with their ears. What they'd hear with their brains, initially at least, might be slightly different. Rod. |
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 17:10:27 -0700, Peter Bennett
wrote: I'm guessing the "Windows 10" is to compete with "MacOSX". And that means all future OSes will be 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, etc. Maybe it's acknowledgment of a "subscription future". I would not accept a naive rationale for why it is "10". There is some evil in that choice, which we'll have to wait and see. This was not a "9 stinks as a number" decision. It has some other meaning. Maybe the next version is called "Windows 10" to avoid confusion with Windows 95 and 98. Maybe the intention is to name it after the decade in which it was created, so in 2020 or shortly thereafter, the next version will be called "Windows 20", meaning "Windows for the 20s". You saw it here first. Rod. |
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Ron wrote:
You said "You do know what "portability" means? It means you are running off of battery power." http://www.vintage-computer.com/imag...pcportable.jpg Not a battery in sight, not even a CMOS one. |
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"Ron" wrote in message
... On 10/1/2014 10:35 AM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/1/14 7:31 AM, Don Phillipson wrote: "John Doe" wrote in message ... "Don Phillipson" wrote: "John Doe" wrote Microsoft needs to stop trying to harness the ultraportable PC business and start innovating in the desktop PC business. Retailers do not nowadays sell enough new desktops to constitute a market big enough to attract MS. From what I can see, looks like they sell approximately the same number as always. All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Just a thought on my part, but with the increasing size and power of laptops, perhaps laptops and desktops should be lumped together for a conversation like this. And to me, the Surface seems to be moving towards being more of a laptop than a tablet. MS is really pushing the Surface. It has been used on Hawaii Five-0 for the past 3 seasons. It's being used on another TV that I watch but can't recall which one. There were ad banners for it in one of the NFL games I watched this past weekend. And last week NASCAR announced they were going to start using them for their inspection process. Would that show you can't think of be "Under the Dome"? |
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On 10/2/2014 3:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 22:32:02 -0400, "Mayayana" wrote: What does make sense to me is people who have a laptop plugged into some kind of cradle that gives them a big screen, keyboard and mouse when they're at home. But I don't see many people who do that. I suspect that those are the people who *really* need their computer for business. A laptop will only make sense to you until you drop it, or spill something on its keyboard, or somebody steals it. I've owned laptops for about 10 years and none of those things have happened. Especially *spilling* something on it. Why in the world would you spill something on a laptop or even desktop keyboard for that matter? |
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On 10/2/2014 9:12 AM, PAS wrote:
"Ron" wrote in message ... On 10/1/2014 10:35 AM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/1/14 7:31 AM, Don Phillipson wrote: "John Doe" wrote in message ... "Don Phillipson" wrote: "John Doe" wrote Microsoft needs to stop trying to harness the ultraportable PC business and start innovating in the desktop PC business. Retailers do not nowadays sell enough new desktops to constitute a market big enough to attract MS. From what I can see, looks like they sell approximately the same number as always. All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Just a thought on my part, but with the increasing size and power of laptops, perhaps laptops and desktops should be lumped together for a conversation like this. And to me, the Surface seems to be moving towards being more of a laptop than a tablet. MS is really pushing the Surface. It has been used on Hawaii Five-0 for the past 3 seasons. It's being used on another TV show that I watch but can't recall which one. There were ad banners for it in one of the NFL games I watched this past weekend. And last week NASCAR announced they were going to start using them for their inspection process. Would that show you can't think of be "Under the Dome"? YEP!!! |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:13:15 -0400, Ron wrote:
On 10/2/2014 3:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 22:32:02 -0400, "Mayayana" wrote: What does make sense to me is people who have a laptop plugged into some kind of cradle that gives them a big screen, keyboard and mouse when they're at home. But I don't see many people who do that. I suspect that those are the people who *really* need their computer for business. A laptop will only make sense to you until you drop it, or spill something on its keyboard, or somebody steals it. I've owned laptops for about 10 years and none of those things have happened. Especially *spilling* something on it. Why in the world would you spill something on a laptop or even desktop keyboard for that matter? There's chances yet! I worked with about 600 people, each had at least one desktop and a laptop. The maintenance people had lots to repair every day. A very common problem was people spilling drinks on their laptop or desktop keyboard. Steve -- Neural Network Software http://www.npsnn.com EasyNN-plus More than just a neural network http://www.easynn.com SwingNN Prediction software http://www.swingnn.com JustNN Just a neural network http://www.justnn.com |
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On 10/2/14 7:44 AM, Wolf K wrote: On 2014-10-01 9:34 PM, Ron wrote:
On 10/1/2014 6:19 PM, John Doe wrote: "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: "Don Phillipson" wrote: All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a laptop is inferior to a desktop: Besides screen size... The fundamental difference is power. If you're going to use a computer for portability, you don't have the power of a desktop. What do you mean by "power"? Computing power? If so that's not true. Agreed. Considering what most people do with their "devices", 90% or more of available power isn't used. Texting is using a 747 to deliver a postcard. Mailing a photo is using a 747 to deliver a pizza. I think that for what most people use computers/devices for, you probably don't need anything more "powerful" than Window for Workgroups era equipment and software. And if those machines comprised most of the user base, we wouldn't have web pages that track you, filled with a bunch of mostly useless eye candy and features that don't really enhance much, IMO.. The main issue is speed, and in actual use I have noticed no difference between smartphones and desktops. The bottleneck is the human user, and I don't see much speedup there. On the contrary, I see slowdown, because we are not as good at multitasking as we _feel_ we are. That's why Google Glass hasn't caught on. That's why even talking on a handsfree cellphone is as bad as drunk driving, while texting is many times worse. We are wired to give 100% of our attention to certain tasks, and those happen to be the tasks which we use our devices for. Guess why. ;-) Agreed on the human user being the bottleneck for most of the speed issue, but I think size of the device and method of input also play into this. Is there anyone here that can type as fast or faster on a tablet/smartphone screen as they can on a keyboard? I suspect not. Users today don't seem to be interested in learning what powers/capabilities are in software. Take a word processor, for instance. How many people bother to learn how to use the styles and formatting features, or use a template which would include creating their own templates? Too many just sit on the Tab key and Space Bar as if they were using a typewriter. What about automating repetitive processes? Remember when W4WG came with a macro recorder? Before I switched to Windows, I used a macro recorder at the desktop level for a number of repetitive operations, usually to open a document in a word processor. This was before that ability was built into the OS/software. This Mac still has a built in macro program, but far more sophisticated than what came with W4WG. But that's to be expected. As for multitasking, a friend has read about some studies that seem to show that people who do practice multitasking are less productive than those that do not. I suspect the time is lost switching between the tasks. If you need power for graphics, video, CGI, that's a niche market if there ever was one. Gaming? Gaming laptops are more powerful than any desktop was two or three years ago. "Serious" gamers drove hardware development in the past, but what with dedicated game devices covering 80% or more of the games market, they are no longer a major factor. I'm not a gamer, never have been. But are the gaming devices as powerful as desktops are in this day and age? Most desktops are merely smart workstations. You don't need much power for that, in fact you don't even need a desktop. That's why laptops are being sold as PCs (read the flyers before dumping them in the trash some time ;-)), while tablets and smartphones are converging into the superphone. And if everyone jumps on the cloud application bandwagon, the desktop will be come dumb terminals for a practical sense. Lose that cloud connection, for whatever reason, and everything you "own" is gone to one extent or another. Besides, wireless makes any device into a desktop. Just connect.... Have a good day, |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 08:42:24 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote: As for multitasking, a friend has read about some studies that seem to show that people who do practice multitasking are less productive than those that do not. I suspect the time is lost switching between the tasks. That's true for me. I am far more productive doing one thing at a time. Even trivial distractions slow me down. Just now the couple chatting in the next room is slowing me typing this message because I keep have to stop so I can hear what they are saying. Steve -- Neural Network Software http://www.npsnn.com EasyNN-plus More than just a neural network http://www.easynn.com SwingNN Prediction software http://www.swingnn.com JustNN Just a neural network http://www.justnn.com |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:15:15 -0400, Ron wrote:
MS is really pushing the Surface. It has been used on Hawaii Five-0 for the past 3 seasons. It's being used on another TV show that I watch but can't recall which one. There were ad banners for it in one of the NFL games I watched this past weekend. And last week NASCAR announced they were going to start using them for their inspection process. Would that show you can't think of be "Under the Dome"? YEP!!! Haven't the inhabitants of the town in this story been isolated by the aforementioned dome from the outside world since before Windows 8 and its derivatives on tablets were released? I seem to recall the characters in the first season communicating with outsiders by writing messages on iPads (vastly superior to pieces of paper for some reason), but now those iPads have mysteriously been replaced through a dome which is apparently impervious to nuclear weapons. I have to say I soon lost patience with the silliness of it all so I've no idea what they're doing now. Rod. |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:13:15 -0400, Ron wrote:
A laptop will only make sense to you until you drop it, or spill something on its keyboard, or somebody steals it. I've owned laptops for about 10 years and none of those things have happened. Especially *spilling* something on it. Why in the world would you spill something on a laptop or even desktop keyboard for that matter? Carelessness. (It's a human thing). Rod. |
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Wolf K wrote:
John Doe wrote: "I'm talking about laptops which are just as powerful as desktops." You are confused. I started this thread branch. I am talking about portable (including ultraportable) personal computers. The more portable, the less power. It's a fact of computing. True, but so what? So, for the foreseeable future desktops will do much more than portables. That is, given innovation, unlike Microsoft. "Power" is a red herring. Power is everything. And that applies to a myriad of portable devices. Obviously that applies very well to computers. You should learn something about the history of computing. Power has always been the issue. If you want to sell computers (or "devices"), you have to look at what people in general do and want to do with them. Most people neither need nor want the kind of power you are talking about. You appear to be blind to the fact that many tablet users complain about poor battery life. It's a common complaint with portables. As I said above, chess is an an excellent example... Chess would be a great application for a touch screen tablet. I'm sure many people do play on a tablet. But if you're any good and you want the tablet to be competitive, as I said it's going to suck the battery dry. There are lots of power hungry applications, including very important business applications. Doctors and lawyers are probably clamoring for speech recognition on tablets like they use on desktops. But it takes a lot of hardware overhead. And overhead means power, computing power and therefore electrical power. Again, many users complain about poor battery life. Anybody who has at least one eye open should know that. Battery life is key for a portable. It limits the applications to less CPU and graphics intensive. It's a concrete fundamental limit that most users would rather see change. |
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"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
... On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:15:15 -0400, Ron wrote: MS is really pushing the Surface. It has been used on Hawaii Five-0 for the past 3 seasons. It's being used on another TV show that I watch but can't recall which one. There were ad banners for it in one of the NFL games I watched this past weekend. And last week NASCAR announced they were going to start using them for their inspection process. Would that show you can't think of be "Under the Dome"? YEP!!! Haven't the inhabitants of the town in this story been isolated by the aforementioned dome from the outside world since before Windows 8 and its derivatives on tablets were released? I seem to recall the characters in the first season communicating with outsiders by writing messages on iPads (vastly superior to pieces of paper for some reason), but now those iPads have mysteriously been replaced through a dome which is apparently impervious to nuclear weapons. I have to say I soon lost patience with the silliness of it all so I've no idea what they're doing now. Rod The Surface was avaialbel two years ago this month, the show hasn't been on that long. It was meant to be a miniseries but its popularity keeps it going. I don't know how long they can keep this going, surely it can't last more than another season or two. |
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