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Old March 20th 17, 03:16 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
TrialAndError
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Samsung Blu Ray Player.
Purchased in U.S.A.
Blu Ray disks purchased at local Best Buy (U.S.A.)

Get message
"Cannot play due to disk restrictions".

e.g. one Blu Ray will not play at all
except for all the preview stuff and the where I would push play.

On another it plays the release version but not extended cut version
with the same restricted message.

Where do I go to find out what I am doing wrong ?

I am 75 yo and struggling with this.

Thanks
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Old March 20th 17, 06:11 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul in Houston TX[_2_]
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TrialAndError wrote:
Samsung Blu Ray Player.
Purchased in U.S.A.
Blu Ray disks purchased at local Best Buy (U.S.A.)

Get message
"Cannot play due to disk restrictions".

e.g. one Blu Ray will not play at all
except for all the preview stuff and the where I would push play.

On another it plays the release version but not extended cut version with the same
restricted message.

Where do I go to find out what I am doing wrong ?

I am 75 yo and struggling with this.

Thanks


Did your player's region code get changed?

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Old March 20th 17, 06:32 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 20/03/2017 02:16, TrialAndError wrote:
Samsung Blu Ray Player.
Purchased in U.S.A.
Blu Ray disks purchased at local Best Buy (U.S.A.)

Get message
"Cannot play due to disk restrictions".

e.g. one Blu Ray will not play at all
except for all the preview stuff and the where I would push play.

On another it plays the release version but not extended cut version
with the same restricted message.

Where do I go to find out what I am doing wrong ?

I am 75 yo and struggling with this.

Thanks


If you bought a DVD/Blue Ray for the wrong region then you might be able
to change the Region on your machine temporarily. Please note doing
this all the time is not the solution because Microsoft has put a limit
how many times you can change the region. See this pictu

Change DV d Region http://i.imgur.com/z43aSJl.png

Microsoft is a legitimate corporation so it can't help people buying the
DVDs in China and playing them in USA. Trump won't like this and
Microsoft doesn't like this either.

You need to go to the Control Panel and Choose "Device Manager" then
select your DVD drives and right-click on one of them (assuming you have
couple like I have)and Properties to get the window I posted above.

I don't use 7 any more so I can't be of any help here. There are many
poor people here so they can help you on 7.

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Old March 20th 17, 10:43 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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TrialAndError wrote:
Samsung Blu Ray Player.
Purchased in U.S.A.
Blu Ray disks purchased at local Best Buy (U.S.A.)

Get message
"Cannot play due to disk restrictions".

e.g. one Blu Ray will not play at all
except for all the preview stuff and the where I would push play.

On another it plays the release version but not extended cut version
with the same restricted message.

Where do I go to find out what I am doing wrong ?

I am 75 yo and struggling with this.

Thanks


You should ask Paul why he doesn't have a Blu Ray drive some time :-)

Copy protection for the win. Region lock is one thing, but needing
to have the player Internet connected, needing "Java" files to make
it work, is a bridge too far.

You can have a Blu Ray drive in your computer. You can also buy
standalone set top Blu Ray players, which have an Ethernet connector
on them, so they can update themselves. The procedures will be
slightly different. You need "player software" for a BD drive just
added to your computer, and it won't be cheap. And the player software
may need to download updates too.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/...y-your-movies/

http://www.macworld.com/article/3179...handbrake.html

One of the extra-special treats with Blu Ray, is your player
(internal or set top) may acquire an update, be able to play
the *new* disc, then stop playing an *older* disc. You, sir,
are screwed. You cannot undo one of those updates. There is
the notion of "revocation", which can cause an older disc to fail.

So Paul just says "No!" to this kinda fun. If the only way to
watch legally-purchased content, is with a copy of MakeMKV and
HandBrake, that's a bridge too far. I might as well re-enact
the movie in my basement, with a Punch and Judy stage and
some sock puppets.

If you'd provided details, such as the *exact* player or computer
drive model, the player software you were using, the *exact* titles
that worked or didn't work, I could look them up. But really at this
point, how much energy would I have for this sort of thing ? My
expectations of success are pretty low :-)

It's like working in a HandCuff factory, where the keys are
made in a different factory. And all the handcuffs are locked.

Paul
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Old March 20th 17, 02:25 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"TrialAndError" wrote


| Samsung Blu Ray Player.
| Get message
| "Cannot play due to disk restrictions".
|
I have similar problems with a stand-alone
Samsung BluRay player hooked up to a TV.
It's fine with BluRay, but with some regular
DVDs it plays for about 20 minutes and then
turns off the sound and blocks the video with
a big legal warning. (That player also has no
light to indicate when it's on, which I regard
as an indefensible and irritating design flaw.)

It turns out the problem is that Samsung
partnered with a company called Cinavia to
add digital restrictions to BluRay. According to
Wikipedia, it's been required on all Blue Ray
players (in the US?) since 2012:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia

What I don't know is whether all restrictions
are Cinavia software or whether that's the
only problem.

I get the audio warning. I've had it on a
number of DVDs from the local library and on
one from Netflix. Never on a BluRay disk, which
is *supposed to* be the only media affected.
I'm guessing that these companies are bowing
to pressure from Hollywood. "We don't care if
you have to break the players. Just make sure
bootlegs won't play." Or maybe it's actually a
plot to make non-BluRay seem undependable.
That wouldn't surprise me.

I'm hesitant to buy another BluRay player.
Personally I don't see a difference. We have
a flatscreen TV with BluRay player and a
CRT TV with DVD player. They're both fine. I
care far more about whether the movie is good.
I've never noticed a bad picture on the CRT.

To me it's like 3-D: The theory sounds exciting,
but it turns out that the mind has as much to
do with what you see as the eyes do, and the
mind does a much better job of 3-D than the
ridiculous dual-plane method of 3-D that the studios
are trying to market. Likewise, once I'm invloved
in a movie I don't think about how good the
colors and contrast are. (The other night we
watched Harvey on the flatscreen. Not BluRay.
The black-and-white was beautiful.

So the value of BluRay is questionable. On the
other hand, regular DVDs may get phased out. At
this point, most of the DVDs at my local library
are non-BluRay and Netflix sends non-BluRay.
So I'm tempted to just replace the BluRay player
with a regular player.

So the first problem is that the digital restriction
software is buggy. But your experience sounds
worse. If it were me I'd take back both players,
if possible, and get another BluRay and another
regular DVD player, with neither being Samsung.
I used to assume Samsung was a safe bet, but
they've been screwing up a number of things
recently. There seems to be something wrong
with the company itself. Last year they recalled
washing machines because the tops can fall off
unexpectedly!


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Old March 20th 17, 06:43 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Thanks for your responses.

To clarify.
The Samsung is connected via HDMI to a TV.
All are disconnected from internet.
Regular DVDs play OK.
Some Blu Rays do play OK.
But for instance one that only plays the Blu Ray release but not the Blu
Ray Extended cut.

-----------------------
Now on my desktop PC with a Blu Ray unit and Nero softwa
The one Blu Ray that will not play with the Samsung.
It will play on my PC that has a Blu Ray unit built in.
I am using NERO Blu Ray player to play it successfully.

Does this help identify a problem?

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Old March 20th 17, 07:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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TrialAndError wrote:
Thanks for your responses.

To clarify.
The Samsung is connected via HDMI to a TV.
All are disconnected from internet.
Regular DVDs play OK.
Some Blu Rays do play OK.
But for instance one that only plays the Blu Ray release but not the Blu
Ray Extended cut.

-----------------------
Now on my desktop PC with a Blu Ray unit and Nero softwa
The one Blu Ray that will not play with the Samsung.
It will play on my PC that has a Blu Ray unit built in.
I am using NERO Blu Ray player to play it successfully.

Does this help identify a problem?


That's a lot clearer.

At least you don't have a Philips.

http://www.supportforum.philips.com/...hp/t-3108.html

Paul
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Old March 20th 17, 08:32 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:21:54 -0400, Paul wrote:

TrialAndError wrote:
Thanks for your responses.

To clarify.
The Samsung is connected via HDMI to a TV.
All are disconnected from internet.
Regular DVDs play OK.
Some Blu Rays do play OK.
But for instance one that only plays the Blu Ray release but not the Blu
Ray Extended cut.

-----------------------
Now on my desktop PC with a Blu Ray unit and Nero softwa
The one Blu Ray that will not play with the Samsung.
It will play on my PC that has a Blu Ray unit built in.
I am using NERO Blu Ray player to play it successfully.

Does this help identify a problem?


That's a lot clearer.

At least you don't have a Philips.

http://www.supportforum.philips.com/...hp/t-3108.html


The general rule of thumb in situations like this is that the farther
down the ladder you go, down amongst no-name brands that no one has ever
heard of, the more lenient they are about playing absolutely everything
you can think to throw at it.

Above, the reference to Philips reminds me of a standalone DVD recorder
I used to have. Its user reviews used to say that it plays everything
you can think of, and would probably play a rusty old soup can if you
could find a way to fit it into the slot, and I found that to be true.
The higher end brands, where the name on the front is something that
people have actually heard of, can afford to add the various DRM schemes
and properly license them. The little guys just ignore all of that.

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Old March 20th 17, 08:47 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 3/20/2017 10:43 AM, TrialAndError wrote:
Thanks for your responses.

To clarify.
The Samsung is connected via HDMI to a TV.
All are disconnected from internet.
Regular DVDs play OK.
Some Blu Rays do play OK.
But for instance one that only plays the Blu Ray release but not the Blu
Ray Extended cut.

-----------------------
Now on my desktop PC with a Blu Ray unit and Nero softwa
The one Blu Ray that will not play with the Samsung.
It will play on my PC that has a Blu Ray unit built in.
I am using NERO Blu Ray player to play it successfully.

Does this help identify a problem?

Sounds like you've been revoked.
The disk can revoke the keys stored in your drive without any
help from you or the internet.

I bought a used blue ray drive and stuck it in my Computer.
I checked out disks from the library and they played fine.
I borrowed my neighbor's "Avatar". It wouldn't play. And the
library disks now failed to play. SCREWED.
Seems that the subscription blu ray player apps get the recent
keys so they can play the disks.

I can't get excited about quality improvement over DVD.

Won't be long before you pay the $50 fee to watch the movie online
and they'll implant a post-hypnotic-suggestion that you've seen it.
Won't have to waste all that time watching it. Heck, they won't
even produce the movies any more. All they need are trailers...
and cash registers.

I was gonna use the drive for data backups, but the RE disks have
all but disappeared from stores. And they cost more than a USB flash
drive anyway.
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Old March 20th 17, 09:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Looks like more trouble.

Desktop PC with Blu Ray player and Nero.
I think this is the 2017 version of Nero.

The Blu Ray plays here (that does not play on the Samsung, BUT
The sound goes on an off.

I did not get to fully investigate the AM but maybe when it changes
sections (or tracks or whatever they are called) the sound goes from
normal to very much like a whisper.

Now my set up might be related but since it seems "track" related then
either it is Nero or the DVD.

I tough had a PowerDVD installed but seems only remnants of it are
there. I guess I thought Nero was better since I paid for it.

Setup
Desktop PC
Blu Ray player in it

HDMI to a different monitor
(I use this all the time for the Desktop PC and never had any problem
like this)

Monitor Audio out to external speakers (the monitor speaker are ratty).

External speaker work just fine for when using Media Center or VLP on
the desktop (also goes tho monitor via HDMI and then to external speakers)

Adjusting any volume control does no good.
Volume controls on Windows 7 on desktop PC.
Volume control on monitor
Volume control on external speakers

Is this a known problem or not ?
$27 Blu Ray DVD down the drain since returns not allowed.


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Old March 20th 17, 10:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 03/20/2017 02:47 PM, mike wrote:

[snip]

Sounds like you've been revoked.
The disk can revoke the keys stored in your drive without any
help from you or the internet.


In other words, the disk contains malware that takes advantage of a
vulnerability in the player.


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Old March 21st 17, 12:02 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul in Houston TX[_2_]
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TrialAndError wrote:
Looks like more trouble.

Desktop PC with Blu Ray player and Nero.
I think this is the 2017 version of Nero.

The Blu Ray plays here (that does not play on the Samsung, BUT
The sound goes on an off.

I did not get to fully investigate the AM but maybe when it changes sections (or tracks or
whatever they are called) the sound goes from normal to very much like a whisper.

Now my set up might be related but since it seems "track" related then either it is Nero
or the DVD.

I tough had a PowerDVD installed but seems only remnants of it are there. I guess I
thought Nero was better since I paid for it.

Setup
Desktop PC
Blu Ray player in it

HDMI to a different monitor
(I use this all the time for the Desktop PC and never had any problem like this)

Monitor Audio out to external speakers (the monitor speaker are ratty).

External speaker work just fine for when using Media Center or VLP on the desktop (also
goes tho monitor via HDMI and then to external speakers)

Adjusting any volume control does no good.
Volume controls on Windows 7 on desktop PC.
Volume control on monitor
Volume control on external speakers

Is this a known problem or not ?
$27 Blu Ray DVD down the drain since returns not allowed.


You might be able to rip it to some other format and save.
Matroska (MakeMKV) is no longer free, however there are other rippers available.
Try using VLC player on the original BV first.
If that does not work then rip it to hdd and burn to DVD using a compressed
format, like MP4, etc.
Or... just find the movie on the web and steam or d/l it.

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Old March 21st 17, 12:19 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , TrialAndError
writes:
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$27 Blu Ray DVD down the drain since returns not allowed.

IANAL, but in UK at least, such a policy (returns not allowed) would not
be held valid (and an attempt to enforce it might itself be an offence).
There _are_ exceptions for copyright material, such as movies and
software, but those are to stop people buying, watching, and returning:
if it actually won't play, the exceptions don't hold. (Repeat, IANAL.)

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Old March 21st 17, 12:38 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 23:19:26 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , TrialAndError
writes:
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$27 Blu Ray DVD down the drain since returns not allowed.

IANAL,



What, you are anal? I didn't know that. g

Kidding aside, I had never seen that abbreviation before. But I just
googled it, so I now know what it means.

but in UK at least, such a policy (returns not allowed) would not
be held valid (and an attempt to enforce it might itself be an offence).
There _are_ exceptions for copyright material, such as movies and
software, but those are to stop people buying, watching, and returning:
if it actually won't play, the exceptions don't hold. (Repeat, IANAL.)

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Old March 21st 17, 04:52 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 3/20/2017 2:52 PM, Sam E wrote:
On 03/20/2017 02:47 PM, mike wrote:

[snip]

Sounds like you've been revoked.
The disk can revoke the keys stored in your drive without any
help from you or the internet.


In other words, the disk contains malware that takes advantage of a
vulnerability in the player.


The disk IMPLEMENTS the strategy integrated into the player and the
media to protect the revenue stream of the content provider...
for your protection.

I just wish I'd known that before I bought the blu ray drive...
also for MY protection.

If you buy a licensed media player, keep it updated online and
play licensed disks, it should all work fine...until it doesn't.
 




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