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  #16  
Old March 23rd 17, 11:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438

Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:30:28 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
wrote:

Andy wrote:
With a good modern internet connection that should take a few mins at most.
for me maybe 5 at most

And therein lies the rub. Not everybody as access to a "good modern
internet connection". Here in Third-World-USA that download would take
me almost an hour and I am lucky, I have access to SLOW DSL. The
majority in my county are limited to dial-up or poor 3G or flaky 4G(
very pricey METERED connections).


I'm not sure I agree that it's a majority who only have slow DSL or
dial-up available to them. It's probably a majority of the country, but
a majority of the people? That doesn't sound right, BICBW.

Personally, we have 300/50 Mbps service where I live, and Google was
talking about bringing symmetrical 1Gbps service here, which prompted
at&t to start saying they would do the same. I haven't seen any digging
yet, though.


The Google thing will remain "talk", as Google has shut down
its ambitious plan for "world GbE domination".

From Wikipedia:

"In October 2016, all expansion plans were put on hold and some jobs
were cut.[9] Google Fiber will continue to provide service in the
cities where it is already installed."

And other competitors, for some reason, are not interested in wireline
any more. They love the "gold" and "small monthly caps" of 3G/4G wireless
instead.

I don't think the situation is the same everywhere in the world.

So if you got a good connection today, enjoy the hell out of it.

Paul
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  #17  
Old March 24th 17, 07:57 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438

Yes those kinda connections and metered data stinks


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"Jonathan N. Little" wrote in message
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Andy wrote:
With a good modern internet connection that should take a few mins at
most.
for me maybe 5 at most


And therein lies the rub. Not everybody as access to a "good modern
internet connection". Here in Third-World-USA that download would take me
almost an hour and I am lucky, I have access to SLOW DSL. The majority in
my county are limited to dial-up or poor 3G or flaky 4G( very pricey
METERED connections).

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  #18  
Old March 24th 17, 07:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438

So what does a gig download take you time wise char


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"Char Jackson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:30:28 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
wrote:

Andy wrote:
With a good modern internet connection that should take a few mins at
most.
for me maybe 5 at most


And therein lies the rub. Not everybody as access to a "good modern
internet connection". Here in Third-World-USA that download would take
me almost an hour and I am lucky, I have access to SLOW DSL. The
majority in my county are limited to dial-up or poor 3G or flaky 4G(
very pricey METERED connections).


I'm not sure I agree that it's a majority who only have slow DSL or
dial-up available to them. It's probably a majority of the country, but
a majority of the people? That doesn't sound right, BICBW.

Personally, we have 300/50 Mbps service where I live, and Google was
talking about bringing symmetrical 1Gbps service here, which prompted
at&t to start saying they would do the same. I haven't seen any digging
yet, though.



  #19  
Old March 24th 17, 08:00 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438

Sadly you are correct to bad mr make America grate again could not spend
some of his billions on building our ISP Networks up to do days standards
for all.



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"Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote in message
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On 23/03/2017 2:04 PM, Andy wrote:
With a good modern internet connection that should take a few mins at
most.
for me maybe 5 at most


There are still poor people and backward countries...

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Old March 24th 17, 08:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438

That happens with Microsoft especially when patches or downloads are
released


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"Buffalo" wrote in message
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"Andy" wrote in message
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With a good modern internet connection that should take a few mins at
most.
for me maybe 5 at most


It took me almost an hour to dl the last update and I have a fast
connection, over 200mbs.
Why? Because it wouldn't dl all at once. It would stick at different
percentages for a long time.
Is their a link that you an dl from without using the MS Update site
built-into Win10?

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  #21  
Old March 24th 17, 08:13 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438

Buffalo wrote:

It took me almost an hour to dl the last update and I have a fast
connection, over 200mbs. Why? Because it wouldn't dl all at once. It
would stick at different percentages for a long time.


Same here, I have ~80Mbps, two attempts stuck at various percentages and
eventually failed, another one failed because I got impatient and
rebooted, for the fourth attempt I left the machine alone for an hour
with nothing running and it managed to install.

  #22  
Old March 24th 17, 10:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438

On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 02:58:45 -0400, "Andy" wrote:

So what does a gig download take you time wise char



That's a straightforward math question, Andy. You can calculate the best
possible scenario, but in reality many sites are unwilling to serve up a
file for download at 300Mbps, so to get there you have to open multiple
concurrent connections.

So best case, how long should a gig take at 300 Megs a second? Show your
work, and watch for bits versus bytes.

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Old March 24th 17, 10:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438

Buffalo wrote:
"Andy" wrote in message
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With a good modern internet connection that should take a few mins at
most.
for me maybe 5 at most


It took me almost an hour to dl the last update and I have a fast
connection, over 200mbs.
Why? Because it wouldn't dl all at once. It would stick at different
percentages for a long time.
Is their a link that you an dl from without using the MS Update site
built-into Win10?


The catalog server allows individual KB downloads.
You put the KB number on the end of the query.

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=4015438

But somehow, you have to figure out that KB is needed, before
you can jam it in. You can "race" with Windows Update, and
download from the Catalog server, then double-click the .MSU
you received, and beat Windows Update to the punch. I haven't run
into an issue yet, by doing stuff like that.

*******

To change from the Anniversary Edition (14393) to the Creator Edition
(coming soon), you can download a DVD to do that if you want. You would
execute setup.exe on the downloaded ISO, while the OS is running, to
do a "Repair Install" to the new OS version (15xxx or so). Since Win10
supports the mounting of ISO files as a virtual CD, there is no
need to burn a DVD to do it. The OS installer will copy the files
from the ISO during the first step, and then subsequent reboots
will use the files now on C: to finish the job. The ISO does not
need to be mounted all during the install. The installer copies
the files off, during the first phase.

*******

If you have multiple PCs running Windows 10, you can enable
a Peer to Peer networking feature, such that one PC on your
LAN, can share updates with the other PCs. The same Delta Updates
are likely to be done, but the component parts can be fetched
from a PC that already downloaded them. I haven't experimented
with this feature, because I don't have enough PCs running
the same version.

Paul
  #24  
Old March 24th 17, 10:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438

I asked what you got for speed as a question char not what i get


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"Char Jackson" wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 02:58:45 -0400, "Andy" wrote:

So what does a gig download take you time wise char



That's a straightforward math question, Andy. You can calculate the best
possible scenario, but in reality many sites are unwilling to serve up a
file for download at 300Mbps, so to get there you have to open multiple
concurrent connections.

So best case, how long should a gig take at 300 Megs a second? Show your
work, and watch for bits versus bytes.



  #25  
Old March 24th 17, 11:23 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Andy wrote:
I asked what you got for speed as a question char not what i get


A metric that is easy to understand, is to post a Speedtest.net result.

For example, mine is 15/1, and that's exactly what I pay for.

It wasn't always like that. My first ISP sold 5mbit ADSL, and
delivered 3mbit, mumbling excuses about SNR (which weren't
actually true) as the reason for their clumsy "traffic shaping".

*******

When you download from a server, the server may not max the link
with a single connection. If I download a Linux LiveCD from uWaterloo,
it might only use 1/3rd of my link. If I were to quote that
number, it would be embarrassing.

If you select your server well (use a Microsoft server, use
a download client opening 20 connections), you can get
tremendous source bandwidth. But, the result isn't
going to go faster than Speedtest.net results.

So just running Speedtest.net for 30 seconds or whatever,
is sufficient for "boasting purposes".

Servers vary, in terms of individual connection caps,
and the number of simultaneous connections they will allow.
For example, I was downloading some SDK from Microsoft, maybe
8GB in size, and Firefox said "24 hours remaining". That's probably
the slowest download I've ever been offered from Microsoft. I attempted
multiple times, to break and make the connection again, and could not
improve the rate. However, after I acquired a download client that
could open multiple connections, I did the math, figured out I needed
8 connections, and then the (double-sided) DVD downloaded in three hours,
instead of twenty four hours.

To make "rate-boasting" fair, it should be done with a
reproducible test case. And Speedtest.net is good enough,
considering the amount of time/effort these boasts are worth.

Paul
  #26  
Old March 24th 17, 01:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 24/03/2017 12:09 AM, Paul wrote:

You should be relying on Windows to do these,
not fooling around with catalog.update.microsoft.com .


Micro$oft called it "Update Rollup".

Manual installation of patches and updates is still useful when you need
to reinstall your Win 10 in order to flush the system of junk.

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Old March 24th 17, 07:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438

On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 05:48:55 -0400, "Andy" wrote:

I asked what you got for speed as a question char not what i get


And I suggested that you can work it out mathematically.

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Old March 24th 17, 07:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 24/03/2017 12:09 AM, Paul wrote:

You should be relying on Windows to do these,
not fooling around with catalog.update.microsoft.com .


Micro$oft called it "Update Rollup".

Manual installation of patches and updates is still useful when you need
to reinstall your Win 10 in order to flush the system of junk.


I used WSUSOffline, to check out the offerings for Windows 10.

There is one big file per OS version, in the catalog.
In this example, as you noted in your subject line,
the 1GB update keeps being superseded by a later
1GB update. It appears the wsusscn2.cab file is not
updated with the last two supersedes.

https://s12.postimg.org/5dj5xqih9/win10_keepers.gif

You really only need to download a single 1GB file today,
to use for patching the OS. But be aware, that to attain
later updates, there will be an incremental download for
the purpose (as determined by the Delta Updater).

So yes, you can download a single 1GB file, but knowing
that it is never "the end of the update story".

Paul
  #29  
Old March 25th 17, 05:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 25/03/2017 2:21 AM, Paul wrote:

I used WSUSOffline, to check out the offerings for Windows 10.
...
So yes, you can download a single 1GB file, but knowing
that it is never "the end of the update story".


Thanks!

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Old March 27th 17, 09:12 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Why is to hard to just give me youre answer youre self


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"Char Jackson" wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 05:48:55 -0400, "Andy" wrote:

I asked what you got for speed as a question char not what i get


And I suggested that you can work it out mathematically.



 




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