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Old November 26th 17, 12:45 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default hiding extensions by default

In message , Paul
writes:
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Microsoft really shouldn't hide the extensions
by default.

Paul


And we've been saying this since at least '9x.

Has there been any indication of them changing this default - maybe in
Windows 10.xxx? (I know they've said 10 is the "last" Windows; in
practice, therefore, future versions will be 10.9.9.9....)

The original _reason_ for hiding extensions (even having the _option_ to
do so) - presumably to avoid confusing the poor dumb users - was mostly
superseded when malware started to use double extensions, and isn't
really valid since they introduced the change in (I think) 7 whereby
"rename" defaults to no longer highlighting the extension.
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Old November 26th 17, 02:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| Has there been any indication of them changing this default - maybe in
| Windows 10.xxx? (I know they've said 10 is the "last" Windows; in
| practice, therefore, future versions will be 10.9.9.9....)
|

Unless Apple gets over their "X" fetish. Then Microsoft
will probably ape them and come out with something
like Windows Beyond. (Remember, you heard it here first.

| isn't
| really valid since they introduced the change in (I think) 7 whereby
| "rename" defaults to no longer highlighting the extension.

That drives me crazy. For me that's a classic example of
why I avoid moving to Win7 for most things. They just keep
adding more training wheels. It takes more and more work to
remove those training wheels. And in some cases it's just
not doable. The result is interrupted productivity, like
trying to make coffee while wearing a helmet and fireproof
gloves.


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Old November 26th 17, 03:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default hiding extensions by default

In message , Mayayana
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| isn't
| really valid since they introduced the change in (I think) 7 whereby
| "rename" defaults to no longer highlighting the extension.

That drives me crazy. For me that's a classic example of
why I avoid moving to Win7 for most things. They just keep
adding more training wheels. It takes more and more work to
remove those training wheels. And in some cases it's just
not doable. The result is interrupted productivity, like
trying to make coffee while wearing a helmet and fireproof
gloves.


I know what you mean, and agree in most cases (I turn a lot of them off
where I can); however, I thought the
rename-not-highlighting-the-extension-by-default was actually a _good_
one. When changing the name of a file, I rarely want to change the
extension, and had previously found (and still find of course, as my
main machine is XP) it tedious having to either retype the extension or
move the cursor first.
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Old November 26th 17, 05:02 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
David E. Ross[_2_]
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Default hiding extensions by default

On 11/26/2017 3:45 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
[]
Microsoft really shouldn't hide the extensions
by default.

Paul


And we've been saying this since at least '9x.

Has there been any indication of them changing this default - maybe in
Windows 10.xxx? (I know they've said 10 is the "last" Windows; in
practice, therefore, future versions will be 10.9.9.9....)

The original _reason_ for hiding extensions (even having the _option_ to
do so) - presumably to avoid confusing the poor dumb users - was mostly
superseded when malware started to use double extensions, and isn't
really valid since they introduced the change in (I think) 7 whereby
"rename" defaults to no longer highlighting the extension.


Has anyone been able to change that default in Windows 7 so that Rename
includes the extension when hightlighting the file name? More often
than not, that is what I want because I often want to copy the complete
file name for use in text, in a search, or other such purpose without
actually changing the name.

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Am I the only one who noticed the following?
* President Trump issued executive orders
that increase health-care costs.
* The Republicans in Congress propose to
eliminate itemized deductions for
health-care costs.
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Old November 26th 17, 06:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
Ralph Fox
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Default hiding extensions by default

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 08:02:23 -0800, David E. Ross wrote:

Has anyone been able to change that default in Windows 7 so that Rename
includes the extension when hightlighting the file name? More often
than not, that is what I want because I often want to copy the complete
file name for use in text, in a search, or other such purpose without
actually changing the name.



To copy the complete file name, include the "press Ctrl+A" below.

Right-click Rename press Ctrl+A press Ctrl+C



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Cheers
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Old November 26th 17, 07:56 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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Default hiding extensions by default

On 11/26/2017 05:45 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[snip]

The original _reason_ for hiding extensions (even having the _option_ to
do so) - presumably to avoid confusing the poor dumb users - was mostly
superseded when malware started to use double extensions,


It's multiple dots. A file has one and only one extension.
"file.txt.exe" is NOT a text file. Windows knows that even if it lies to
you in a directory window or open dialog.

and isn't
really valid since they introduced the change in (I think) 7 whereby
"rename" defaults to no longer highlighting the extension.



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Old November 26th 17, 08:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Ralph Fox" wrote

| To copy the complete file name, include the "press Ctrl+A" below.
|
| Right-click Rename press Ctrl+A press Ctrl+C
|

I'm not certain, but it seems to me it was easier
than that. I think a double right-click selects it all.
Either way, it's an extra step that some of us find
inefficient.


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Old November 26th 17, 08:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default hiding extensions by default

In message , Mark Lloyd
writes:
On 11/26/2017 05:45 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[snip]

The original _reason_ for hiding extensions (even having the _option_
to do so) - presumably to avoid confusing the poor dumb users - was
mostly superseded when malware started to use double extensions,


It's multiple dots. A file has one and only one extension.
"file.txt.exe" is NOT a text file. Windows knows that even if it lies
to you in a directory window or open dialog.


You know that, and I know that, but you know what I meant (-:

and isn't really valid since they introduced the change in (I think)
7 whereby "rename" defaults to no longer highlighting the extension.



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Old November 27th 17, 12:05 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
David E. Ross[_2_]
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Default hiding extensions by default

On 11/26/2017 9:39 AM, Ralph Fox wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 08:02:23 -0800, David E. Ross wrote:

Has anyone been able to change that default in Windows 7 so that Rename
includes the extension when hightlighting the file name? More often
than not, that is what I want because I often want to copy the complete
file name for use in text, in a search, or other such purpose without
actually changing the name.



To copy the complete file name, include the "press Ctrl+A" below.

Right-click Rename press Ctrl+A press Ctrl+C


No. While in Rename, Ctrl-A has no effect.

--
David E. Ross
http://www.rossde.com/

Am I the only one who noticed the following?
* President Trump issued executive orders
that increase health-care costs.
* The Republicans in Congress propose to
eliminate itemized deductions for
health-care costs.
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Old November 27th 17, 02:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Default hiding extensions by default

"David E. Ross" wrote in newsvfhau$hn3$1
@news.albasani.net:

On 11/26/2017 9:39 AM, Ralph Fox wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 08:02:23 -0800, David E. Ross wrote:

Has anyone been able to change that default in Windows 7 so that

Rename
includes the extension when hightlighting the file name? More often
than not, that is what I want because I often want to copy the

complete
file name for use in text, in a search, or other such purpose without
actually changing the name.



To copy the complete file name, include the "press Ctrl+A" below.

Right-click Rename press Ctrl+A press Ctrl+C


No. While in Rename, Ctrl-A has no effect.


That's odd. On my Windows 7 machine, it's works as advertised. While in
Rename, Ctrl-A selects the entire file name, including the extension.

I actually like the default action to not include the extension, When I
move pictures from my phone to my computer, I give them a descriptive
name, and of course I do not want to change the extension. But, we all
have our own methods.
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Old November 27th 17, 02:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 11:45:06 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Paul
writes:
[]
Microsoft really shouldn't hide the extensions
by default.

Paul


And we've been saying this since at least '9x.

Has there been any indication of them changing this default - maybe in
Windows 10.xxx? (I know they've said 10 is the "last" Windows; in
practice, therefore, future versions will be 10.9.9.9....)

The original _reason_ for hiding extensions (even having the _option_ to
do so) - presumably to avoid confusing the poor dumb users - was mostly
superseded when malware started to use double extensions, and isn't
really valid since they introduced the change in (I think) 7 whereby
"rename" defaults to no longer highlighting the extension.



I always thought that hiding extensions was stupid too. But I do wish MS
would allow hiding by filename. Those goddamn "System Volume
Information" files annoy the f**k out of me and appear on every
partition, every flash drive, and where ever else MS can shove them. I
DO NOT use that drive wasting crap anyhow, and have it disabled
everywhere. But I still got to see that clutter on everything.....
Since it's disabled, I'd think they would either not create them, or at
least give us a way to hide them. Hiding the Recycle Bin would be useful
too. Again, I dont use it. When I delete something, I want it GONE....


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Old November 27th 17, 03:31 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mark Lloyd
writes:


It's multiple dots. A file has one and only one extension.
"file.txt.exe" is NOT a text file. Windows knows that even if it lies
to you in a directory window or open dialog.


You know that, and I know that, but you know what I meant (-:


That would be classed as a "land mine".

There are ways to encode with "." but that's not a good example.

Here are some examples.

1) "Isolation" (you read these from right-to-left)

dangerous_virus.exe == dangerous_virus.exe.txt

That's the practice of "de-elevation", preventing
a dangerous thing from being triggered by accident
by double-clicking. Due to the logic the OS uses, it
will open in a text editor.

nifty_shellex.reg == nifty_shellex.reg.txt

While a registry file (which is a text file) shouldn't
merge into the Registry all on its own, I'm using the
text extension there, so there is absolutely no
possibility of that happening.

2) "Encoding" (you read these from left to right to understand them)

something.tar.gz.7z

This hints that some item has been processed several times.
Reading from left to right, first "Tape Archive" was used,
then "GZIP Compressor", then "7ZIP Compressor".

The Tape Archive step implies a folder, if the Tape
Archive step is being used for a valid reason. We
can guess then, that "something" just might be a folder.
So it's an encoded folder that's been through three steps
of processing.

The "file.txt.exe" example is "elevation", something you
don't generally do on purpose.

Say for example, you just wrote your own reg file and
stored it (for some strange reason) as a text file.

TakeOwn.txt

and then wanted it to be recognized as a registry file
to be merged

TakeOwn.txt.reg

Well, it would be just as sensible to remove all doubt
and make it

TakeOwn.reg

leaving no doubt as to its purpose. The "TakeOwn.txt.reg"
is attempting elevation, a bad practice, and not something
your built-in parser will appreciate later.

3) And while you can use dots for delineation, this
isn't really a good formulation. You don't want to
force people to parse this for danger.

AdobeFlash.23.0.0.171.exe

Now, that one isn't bad, since numeric fields won't
get confused as file types. Whereas this is just terrible.

Ive.been.working.on.the.railroad.xls

You can make ones like this a little clearer by
using some other punctuation scheme.

Ive_been_working_on_the_railroad.xls

Ive-been-working-on-the-railroad.xls

And when picking characters, be careful not to
select punctuation which is not "cross-platform".
Even though you think today, your file is never
leaving the PC, ten minutes from now you're
uploading it onto your Android and "someting bwoke"
because of your poor hygiene practices when
selecting punctuation characters.

*******

As for the land mine in the example

"file.txt.exe"

the system loader will attempt to look for signature
symbols of various sorts in the file, and seeing that
they don't exist, it'll throw an appropriate error
if you double-click on that. But there are other cases
where you were attempting elevation via extension,
where the outcome might not be all that you expected.

I can't think of too many cases, where I've added ".exe"
to the end of something for "fun" :-)

And leaving file extensions viewable, makes parsing
monstrosities like these, easier.

Paul
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Old November 27th 17, 03:34 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:24:23 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:11:47 -0600, wrote:

I always thought that hiding extensions was stupid too. But I do wish MS
would allow hiding by filename. Those goddamn "System Volume
Information" files annoy the f**k out of me and appear on every
partition, every flash drive, and where ever else MS can shove them. I
DO NOT use that drive wasting crap anyhow, and have it disabled
everywhere.


Windows uses SVI, so if you use Windows you're probably (indirectly)
using SVI.

But I still got to see that clutter on everything.....
Since it's disabled, I'd think they would either not create them, or at
least give us a way to hide them. Hiding the Recycle Bin would be useful
too. Again, I dont use it. When I delete something, I want it GONE....


By default, the SVI folders are not visible, so you've chosen to see
them.


I know I can disable ALL system files, but I do want to see most of them
when I am inside the Windows folder. But I dont want to see these SVI
files almost everywhere. If you know of a way to hide them, please tell
me how.

The SVI folders are all empty. Thats because I disabled SVI. But if I
right click on a SVI and choose properties, they are empty.



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Old November 27th 17, 04:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 15:05:01 -0800, "David E. Ross"
wrote:

On 11/26/2017 9:39 AM, Ralph Fox wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 08:02:23 -0800, David E. Ross wrote:

Has anyone been able to change that default in Windows 7 so that Rename
includes the extension when hightlighting the file name? More often
than not, that is what I want because I often want to copy the complete
file name for use in text, in a search, or other such purpose without
actually changing the name.



To copy the complete file name, include the "press Ctrl+A" below.

Right-click Rename press Ctrl+A press Ctrl+C


No. While in Rename, Ctrl-A has no effect.


Strange. For me, it works as expected in 7, 8.1, and 10.

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