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Old December 3rd 17, 11:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Old December 3rd 17, 11:16 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Scott wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?


It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with
which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not
convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case,
why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything
emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling
dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be
"better safe than sorry".

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Old December 3rd 17, 11:21 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/03/2017 02:04 AM, Scott wrote:
Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?


I sell it and recommend it. I think it is the best one out there.
Home support is outsources and isn't very good. Business support
is good. It is the only AV you should use for a Windows based
Point of Sale system taking credit cards

If you need to figure out who does the best job, go to
av-comparatives.org and look over about six months of
their reports. See who is consistent.

If you are worried about them being Russia, don't. All
the fur that has been flying is not their doing, but some
rather nasty politics in this country. They just got
caught in the middle because they are Russian.

Like ALL other AV companies, they do ask for your permission
(Kaspersky Network) to analyze certain infected files. I
just decline. Some idiot in government security opted in and
got some of his classified docs sent to Kaspersky. Kaspersky
immediately shredded them and informed the sender. And
there is an exploit claiming to be Kaspersky out there. It may
be our own NSA. But who knows. It isn't Kaspersky.
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Old December 3rd 17, 11:35 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/03/2017 02:16 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
Scott wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?


It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with
which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not
convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case,
why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything
emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling
dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be
"better safe than sorry".


You are being a bit selective.

By chance to you purchase anything from China? Their human right are
abysmal.

A lot of AV companies code in India. You know, the country who
nationals call Americans on the phone claiming to be from M$ and
attempting to steel credit card numbers? Do you buy anything
from India?

Do you buy anything from Muslim counties where girls are
sold by their fathers at age nine and are considered their
father's property and to only have half a brain and if they
get raped it is their fault and husbands are allow to beat
their wives and have sex slaves? Buy any textiles from Pakistan
lately?

Yes I know, Russia bribed one of our presidential candidates
into sell a YUGE amount of our uranium right to Russia.
Russia is not without its issues. Kaspersky is not one
of them.
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Old December 3rd 17, 12:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 02:35:55 -0800, T wrote:

On 12/03/2017 02:16 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
Scott wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?


It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with
which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not
convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case,
why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything
emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling
dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be
"better safe than sorry".


You are being a bit selective.

By chance to you purchase anything from China? Their human right are
abysmal.

A lot of AV companies code in India. You know, the country who
nationals call Americans on the phone claiming to be from M$ and
attempting to steel credit card numbers? Do you buy anything
from India?

Do you buy anything from Muslim counties where girls are
sold by their fathers at age nine and are considered their
father's property and to only have half a brain and if they
get raped it is their fault and husbands are allow to beat
their wives and have sex slaves? Buy any textiles from Pakistan
lately?

Yes I know, Russia bribed one of our presidential candidates
into sell a YUGE amount of our uranium right to Russia.
Russia is not without its issues. Kaspersky is not one
of them.


With respect, I think you are perhaps missing the point here. The
issue is not disapproval of Russia per se but the security
implications of allowing data to be transferred to Russia if as is
claimed the Russian state is involved in espionage activities.

Both important human rights issues of course, but entirely different
considerations.
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Old December 3rd 17, 12:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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T wrote:

On 12/03/2017 02:16 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
Scott wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?


It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with
which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not
convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case,
why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything
emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling
dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be
"better safe than sorry".


You are being a bit selective.

By chance to you purchase anything from China? Their human right are
abysmal.


Within their own borders, yes. Try being black, Mexican or Muslim in
America.

A lot of AV companies code in India. You know, the country who
nationals call Americans on the phone claiming to be from M$ and
attempting to steel credit card numbers? Do you buy anything
from India?


Buying something Indian (spices and cheap clothes - can't think of anything
else) poses no security risk to me or the rest of the world.

Do you buy anything from Muslim counties where girls are
sold by their fathers at age nine and are considered their
father's property and to only have half a brain and if they
get raped it is their fault and husbands are allow to beat
their wives and have sex slaves? Buy any textiles from Pakistan
lately?


I have not had my security compromised by a cheap T-shirt so far, and think
my Y-fronts are fairly safe (from the cyber-espionage point of view,
anyway).

Yes I know, Russia bribed one of our presidential candidates
into sell a YUGE amount of our uranium right to Russia.
Russia is not without its issues. Kaspersky is not one
of them.


And purportedly meddled in the US elections to favour a candidate that
favours them.

There is something about the sheer dictatorial arrogance and ruthlessness
of Putin that makes me more suspicious of Russia than China or anywhere
else with a cyber-security influence - which was the only thing being
discussed here. For just a few of many example - the way he has invaded the
Crimea and annexed Ukrainian territory and got away with it, interfered in
Syria to support a chemical-warfare-using dictator and got away with it and
murdered his enemies on British soil and got away with it that makes me
mistrust anything vaguely to do with Russia. China at least contributes a
great deal to the world's economic setup and hasn't invaded anyone since
Tibet a long time ago. Russia contributes nothing to the rest of the world
except by using its gas supplies to politically manipulate those it can't
get away with invading.

Whilst they are not the only ones with a cyber-warfare capability they are
way, way up at the top of my list of people likely to have a backdoor in an
Antivirus program. However, as I said, I'd like some proof either way. An
assurance from someone who makes a profit from selling the product, whilst
probably correct, goes nowhere to convincing me. An American product from
Microsoft, albeit known to be marginally less effective at catching
viruses, appeals to me more - even with Trump in charge we have more in
common. If someone is going to nick my data, I'd rather it was the
Pentagon.

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Old December 3rd 17, 12:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/03/2017 03:07 AM, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 02:35:55 -0800, T wrote:

On 12/03/2017 02:16 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
Scott wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?

It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with
which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not
convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case,
why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything
emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling
dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be
"better safe than sorry".


You are being a bit selective.

By chance to you purchase anything from China? Their human right are
abysmal.

A lot of AV companies code in India. You know, the country who
nationals call Americans on the phone claiming to be from M$ and
attempting to steel credit card numbers? Do you buy anything
from India?

Do you buy anything from Muslim counties where girls are
sold by their fathers at age nine and are considered their
father's property and to only have half a brain and if they
get raped it is their fault and husbands are allow to beat
their wives and have sex slaves? Buy any textiles from Pakistan
lately?

Yes I know, Russia bribed one of our presidential candidates
into sell a YUGE amount of our uranium right to Russia.
Russia is not without its issues. Kaspersky is not one
of them.


With respect, I think you are perhaps missing the point here. The
issue is not disapproval of Russia per se but the security
implications of allowing data to be transferred to Russia if as is
claimed the Russian state is involved in espionage activities.

Both important human rights issues of course, but entirely different
considerations.


Here is Kaspersky's statement:

https://usa.kaspersky.com/about/pres...n-july-11-2017

And an interview with Eugene Kaspersky:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41262049

If you are worried a espionage, don't use anything from India
or China.


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Old December 3rd 17, 12:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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On 12/03/2017 03:26 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
T wrote:


Within their own borders, yes. Try being black, Mexican or Muslim in
America.


That would explain why they are better off in America than
any other country int he worlds. Hmmmm.

A lot of AV companies code in India. You know, the country who
nationals call Americans on the phone claiming to be from M$ and
attempting to steel credit card numbers? Do you buy anything
from India?


Buying something Indian (spices and cheap clothes - can't think of anything
else) poses no security risk to me or the rest of the world.


Not my point Most software these days comes from Indian programmers.


Do you buy anything from Muslim counties where girls are
sold by their fathers at age nine and are considered their
father's property and to only have half a brain and if they
get raped it is their fault and husbands are allow to beat
their wives and have sex slaves? Buy any textiles from Pakistan
lately?


I have not had my security compromised by a cheap T-shirt so far, and think
my Y-fronts are fairly safe (from the cyber-espionage point of view,
anyway).


Do their sales fund any terrorist groups?


Yes I know, Russia bribed one of our presidential candidates
into sell a YUGE amount of our uranium right to Russia.
Russia is not without its issues. Kaspersky is not one
of them.


And purportedly meddled in the US elections to favour a candidate that
favours them.


That is a total crock of manure. It was made up by one of the loser
campaign staff as part of their dirty tricks campaign against the
winner.

There is something about the sheer dictatorial arrogance and ruthlessness
of Putin that makes me more suspicious of Russia than China or anywhere
else with a cyber-security influence - which was the only thing being
discussed here. For just a few of many example - the way he has invaded the
Crimea and annexed Ukrainian territory and got away with it, interfered in
Syria to support a chemical-warfare-using dictator and got away with it and
murdered his enemies on British soil and got away with it that makes me
mistrust anything vaguely to do with Russia. China at least contributes a
great deal to the world's economic setup and hasn't invaded anyone since
Tibet a long time ago. Russia contributes nothing to the rest of the world
except by using its gas supplies to politically manipulate those it can't
get away with invading.


Read your history. Crimea was always Russian. That does not
give them liberty in the Ukraine though, especially after the
forced famine during the Soviet Empire that killed so many
millions of Ukrainians.

Putin has announced that he is pulling his troops out of Syria.

And it is extremely hard to tell who did what to whom in that part
of the world. An enemy of my enemy is my friend and that will
change tomorrow. I have heard that the origin of the chemical
attacks have been called into question too.

Russia has its problems. Kaspersky is not one of them.

Both Trump and Putin have stated that they want better relations
with each other. I think that is a win win all around.
Starting another cold war is stupid.

China is in a full scale cyber war with America. You sure your Chinese
computer is safe?

And by the way, Trump did not pay Russian hooker to pee on Russian
hotel beds. That is the losers dirty tricks campaign again.

Whilst they are not the only ones with a cyber-warfare capability they are
way, way up at the top of my list of people likely to have a backdoor in an
Antivirus program. However, as I said, I'd like some proof either way. An
assurance from someone who makes a profit from selling the product, whilst
probably correct, goes nowhere to convincing me. An American product from
Microsoft, albeit known to be marginally less effective at catching
viruses, appeals to me more - even with Trump in charge we have more in
common. If someone is going to nick my data, I'd rather it was the
Pentagon.


Well, from a Beef Eater, that is a nice thing to say about us.
Thank you. It would be Langley doing the nicking by the way.


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Old December 3rd 17, 12:58 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 10:04:46 +0000, Scott wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?


Barclays are now not offering free Kasperski anti-virus stuff to
customers and GCHQ are apparently recommending not to use it for
sensitive PCs. Steer clear, and avoid these Chinese routers (Huawei)
while you're about it.
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Old December 3rd 17, 01:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 11:58:40 +0000, mechanic
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 10:04:46 +0000, Scott wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?


Barclays are now not offering free Kasperski anti-virus stuff to
customers and GCHQ are apparently recommending not to use it for
sensitive PCs.


Indeed, this is what prompted my question. Neither, I believe, is at
this stage advising against for routine, non-sensitive applications.

Steer clear, and avoid these Chinese routers (Huawei)
while you're about it.


I have discovered that my Norton subscription covers three devices so
it seems to me that replacing Kasperski with Norton on my mobile phone
is now a 'no brainer'.
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Old December 3rd 17, 01:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 03:34:23 -0800, T wrote:

On 12/03/2017 03:07 AM, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 02:35:55 -0800, T wrote:

On 12/03/2017 02:16 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
Scott wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?

It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with
which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not
convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case,
why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything
emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling
dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be
"better safe than sorry".


You are being a bit selective.

By chance to you purchase anything from China? Their human right are
abysmal.

A lot of AV companies code in India. You know, the country who
nationals call Americans on the phone claiming to be from M$ and
attempting to steel credit card numbers? Do you buy anything
from India?

Do you buy anything from Muslim counties where girls are
sold by their fathers at age nine and are considered their
father's property and to only have half a brain and if they
get raped it is their fault and husbands are allow to beat
their wives and have sex slaves? Buy any textiles from Pakistan
lately?

Yes I know, Russia bribed one of our presidential candidates
into sell a YUGE amount of our uranium right to Russia.
Russia is not without its issues. Kaspersky is not one
of them.


With respect, I think you are perhaps missing the point here. The
issue is not disapproval of Russia per se but the security
implications of allowing data to be transferred to Russia if as is
claimed the Russian state is involved in espionage activities.

Both important human rights issues of course, but entirely different
considerations.


Here is Kaspersky's statement:

https://usa.kaspersky.com/about/pres...n-july-11-2017

And an interview with Eugene Kaspersky:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41262049


Does a statement by a citizen act as a guarantee against interference
by the Russian State?

If you are worried a espionage, don't use anything from India
or China.

I assume you mean anything IT related.
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Old December 3rd 17, 01:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 10:04:46 +0000, Scott
wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?


The US government is being overly caucus. They have a right to do
that. Never know what the ruskies will do. They are the enemy !


KenW
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Old December 3rd 17, 01:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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T wrote:


Well, from a Beef Eater, that is a nice thing to say about us.
Thank you. It would be Langley doing the nicking by the way.


I live just a couple of miles from GCHQ in the UK, so I can drop my own
data in - just as if they'd be interested in me. :-)

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Old December 3rd 17, 02:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 03/12/2017 10:04, Scott wrote:
Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?


I have always said over the years that people should be using well known
brand rather than using products from fringe manufacturers. Microsoft's
Windows Defender (in W10) is the best around from a known brand.
McAfee and Symantec are other two brands. The rest are all spyware,
malware or cripple-ware.

In fact anything Russian should simply be avoided until they are
prepared to stop interfering in western democracy.





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satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

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Old December 3rd 17, 02:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 03/12/2017 10:16, Bob Henson wrote:
Scott wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?

It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with
which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not
convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case,
why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything
emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling
dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be
"better safe than sorry".

Look the people who made the announcement are top notch researchers
working for the security services in United Kingdom and United states.
they can't give you any further info about how they came to this
decision because they don't want their enemies to know what evidence
they have and what tools they used to prove this. YOU DON'T GIVE AWAY
YOUR SECRETES.



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