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Old December 6th 17, 06:23 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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I understand that the machine comes with Windows 7 Pro, but what does
the slash W10P mean? It certainly isn't loaded with 2 separate
versions of Windows.
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Old December 6th 17, 06:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Wed, 06 Dec 2017 11:23:43 -0600, wrote:

I understand that the machine comes with Windows 7 Pro, but what does
the slash W10P mean? It certainly isn't loaded with 2 separate
versions of Windows.


I should have added that I do not want Win 10. Will this version of
W7P/W10P keep trying to force me into upgrading to Win 10?
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Old December 7th 17, 01:01 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Wed, 06 Dec 2017 17:19:12 -0500, Paul
wrote:

Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-12-06 12:29, wrote:
On Wed, 06 Dec 2017 11:23:43 -0600,
wrote:

I understand that the machine comes with Windows 7 Pro, but what does
the slash W10P mean? It certainly isn't loaded with 2 separate
versions of Windows.

I should have added that I do not want Win 10. Will this version of
W7P/W10P keep trying to force me into upgrading to Win 10?



What machine? Who's the vendor? Why not ask them?


But we can answer a subset of the question.

At the current time, Windows 7 Pro and Windows Update
will *not* try to update to Windows 10. That's
switched off now.

However, if you *want* to move to Windows 10, the
Accessibility option works until Dec.31 or so. I'm waiting
for "lower-case mike" to report back on his progress with this.

So no, if your machine is running Windows 7, you won't
wake up tomorrow morning looking at a Windows 10 screen.

Paul


I'm looking around for a new comp, and Win 10 is something I don't
want. I'm rather accepting of the fact I'm probably going to be stuck
with Windows 7. I don't care to have every keystroke and file on my
computer signaled out to Redmond With Win 10. I'd go to - Ugh! -
Linux first. I asked the original question because I've read some
posts about Redmond almost forcing Win 10 down on Win 7 machines. At
least that's what I've read.

Tnx for answering.
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Old December 7th 17, 02:59 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Sales detail of new comp with W7P / W10P - means what?

On 06 Dec 2017, wrote in alt.windows7.general:

I'm looking around for a new comp, and Win 10 is something I don't
want. I'm rather accepting of the fact I'm probably going to be
stuck with Windows 7.


So, search for a computer that comes with Windows 7 already installed.
There are a few out there still. Or buy a computer whose hardware is
supported by Windows 7, buy a Windows 7 license, and install it
yourself. That's what I did this week.

I don't care to have every keystroke and
file on my computer signaled out to Redmond With Win 10.


There's no evidence that Microsoft does any such thing.

I'd go to - Ugh! - Linux first.


Well, OK, if you remain unconvinced and you can't or won't buy an old
Windows 7 computer, try out Linux. It might be OK for you (it's not OK
for me, due to its clunky interface(s) and lack of quality
applications. It has other strengths, though and it's fun to play with,
if you like that sort of thing.)

I asked the original question because
I've read some posts about Redmond almost forcing Win 10 down on
Win 7 machines. At least that's what I've read.


You're reading year-old "posts". Microsoft ended their upgrade campaign
many months ago.
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Old December 7th 17, 03:47 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Sales detail of new comp with W7P / W10P - means what?

Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-12-06 20:59, Nil wrote:
On 06 Dec wrote in alt.windows7.general:

I'm looking around for a new comp, and Win 10 is something I don't
want. I'm rather accepting of the fact I'm probably going to be
stuck with Windows 7.

So, search for a computer that comes with Windows 7 already installed.
There are a few out there still. Or buy a computer whose hardware is
supported by Windows 7, buy a Windows 7 license, and install it
yourself. That's what I did this week.

[...]

If you don't want to go the Install-W7 route, look for off-lease
computers. Most of these are 2 to 3 years old, have been
well-maintained, and the leasing shops often refurbish the better ones
for resale.

Don't be afraid of Win 8/8.1, it can easily be made to look'n'feel like
Win7.

Good luck,


Legally (whatever that means) a refurbisher like Joy Systems
can only install Windows 10 now on those machines. As absurd
as that seems.

The license details for refurbisher OEM OSes dis-allows
Windows 7 after a certain date, and that date has passed.

What is means is, an off-lease machine from Staples must
have Win10.

But an off-lease machine (originally from Joy Systems),
can be vended to you by an Ebay seller, while having
Windows 7 on it. Of course, not being all that traceable,
who knows what you're getting for the money.

For Joy Systems, one of the costs associated with Win10,
is how modern a video card it requires. While they could
ship the system while it was running Microsoft Basic
Display Adapter, that's unlikely to make a customer very
happy. And I don't know how Joy Systems is solving that
issue.

If you want Windows 7 today, it's going to cost you something.
at the very least, aggravation. New business machines have
downgrade rights for Windows 7. I checked a web page a
week ago, and that right was still listed. But historically,
the actual, helpful, support from the seller, is shabby.
Now, maybe you can spec Windows 7 in the build-to-order
menu at Dell or HP, for a business class machine, as otherwise
I would not want to receive a Windows 10 machine, and then
find they "neglected" to put a Windows 7 disc in the box. The
important part on any new computer, is the drivers injected
into the Windows 7 disc. Any idiot can find *some* sort of
installer DVD, but the missing bit is drivers. And with the
mixed messages on support for Kaby Lake and the like, who knows
what little item is missing.

If you go that route, do some researches first, to see whether
"customer service" is really "customer service". When you buy
a new machine, you expect it to be working properly and meet
your requirements, without a lot of "begging and pleading"
emails. I certainly wouldn't want to use downgrade rights,
without the HDD being properly set up, so I don't have to
mess around. There would be nothing worse than discovering
an Intel driver was missing, and no driver was being
written by Intel either.

I would not mind a new computer, with an MSDM license key in
the BIOS, a SLIC table in the BIOS, and a SLIC activated copy
of Windows 7 on the hard drive. That would leave open the
possibility of dual booting a Windows 10 OS I installed
myself. Which is relatively easy to do. Get the manufacturer
to make sure the hardware is set up for OEM Windows 7. That
means an ACPI SLIC table to make Windows 7 work, no COA sticker
on the outside of the PC (MSDM requirement), and an MSDM
custom key in the BIOS as well. That's what a fully fledged
computer would contain. The critical ingredient is the SLIC
table in the BIOS, as that's what an OEM Win7 would use
for activation. And make backups of the HDD as soon as
you get the machine - you can thank me later :-) If the
disk dies, you want an image to restore it with. Macrium
Reflect Free can do that for you.

Paul
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Old December 7th 17, 08:35 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 06 Dec 2017, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
in alt.windows7.general:

I thought _new_ computers weren't supposed to be supplied with 7
(or, I think, 8 or 8.1), since quite some time ago. I _suppose_
some retailers _might_ still have some _unused_ ones with 7,
though it seems odd of so unless they _deliberately_ did it, i. e.
_sigificantly_ overbought. []


I think you're right, but I hear tales of there still being a few new
old stock Windows 7 computers being around. I've seen a few refurbished
Dells like that.
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Old December 7th 17, 11:53 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , Nil
writes:
On 06 Dec 2017, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
in alt.windows7.general:

I thought _new_ computers weren't supposed to be supplied with 7
(or, I think, 8 or 8.1), since quite some time ago. I _suppose_
some retailers _might_ still have some _unused_ ones with 7,
though it seems odd of so unless they _deliberately_ did it, i. e.
_sigificantly_ overbought. []


I think you're right, but I hear tales of there still being a few new
old stock Windows 7 computers being around. I've seen a few refurbished
Dells like that.


If by "refurbished", you mean played with to remove all but the OS and
drivers, yes; from Paul's explanation, they can't _reinstall_ 7.

I guess there may be a loophole whereby the refurbishers can sell ones
they reinstalled before the deadline, then kept in stock. Or, that
loophole may not exist.
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Old December 8th 17, 12:27 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Wolf K" wrote in message ...

On 2017-12-06 20:59, Nil wrote:
On 06 Dec wrote in alt.windows7.general:

I'm looking around for a new comp, and Win 10 is something I don't
want. I'm rather accepting of the fact I'm probably going to be
stuck with Windows 7.

So, search for a computer that comes with Windows 7 already installed.
There are a few out there still. Or buy a computer whose hardware is
supported by Windows 7, buy a Windows 7 license, and install it
yourself. That's what I did this week.

[...]

If you don't want to go the Install-W7 route, look for off-lease
computers. Most of these are 2 to 3 years old, have been
well-maintained, and the leasing shops often refurbish the better ones
for resale.

Don't be afraid of Win 8/8.1, it can easily be made to look'n'feel like
Win7.

Good luck,

Hell, my Win 10 looks a lot like my old Win7.
No real reason to be afraid of Win 10. Go for the 64bit version.
--
Buffalo
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Old December 8th 17, 02:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 09:47:38 -0500, Paul wrote:

Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-12-06 20:59, Nil wrote:
On 06 Dec wrote in alt.windows7.general:

I'm looking around for a new comp, and Win 10 is something I don't
want. I'm rather accepting of the fact I'm probably going to be stuck
with Windows 7.
So, search for a computer that comes with Windows 7 already installed.
There are a few out there still. Or buy a computer whose hardware is
supported by Windows 7, buy a Windows 7 license, and install it
yourself. That's what I did this week.

[...]

If you don't want to go the Install-W7 route, look for off-lease
computers. Most of these are 2 to 3 years old, have been
well-maintained, and the leasing shops often refurbish the better ones
for resale.

Don't be afraid of Win 8/8.1, it can easily be made to look'n'feel like
Win7.

Good luck,


Legally (whatever that means) a refurbisher like Joy Systems can only
install Windows 10 now on those machines. As absurd as that seems.

The license details for refurbisher OEM OSes dis-allows Windows 7 after
a certain date, and that date has passed.

What is means is, an off-lease machine from Staples must have Win10.

But an off-lease machine (originally from Joy Systems),
can be vended to you by an Ebay seller, while having Windows 7 on it. Of
course, not being all that traceable,
who knows what you're getting for the money.

For Joy Systems, one of the costs associated with Win10,
is how modern a video card it requires. While they could ship the system
while it was running Microsoft Basic Display Adapter, that's unlikely to
make a customer very happy. And I don't know how Joy Systems is solving
that issue.

If you want Windows 7 today, it's going to cost you something. at the
very least, aggravation. New business machines have downgrade rights for
Windows 7. I checked a web page a week ago, and that right was still
listed. But historically, the actual, helpful, support from the seller,
is shabby.
Now, maybe you can spec Windows 7 in the build-to-order menu at Dell or
HP, for a business class machine, as otherwise I would not want to
receive a Windows 10 machine, and then find they "neglected" to put a
Windows 7 disc in the box. The important part on any new computer, is
the drivers injected into the Windows 7 disc. Any idiot can find *some*
sort of installer DVD, but the missing bit is drivers. And with the
mixed messages on support for Kaby Lake and the like, who knows what
little item is missing.

If you go that route, do some researches first, to see whether "customer
service" is really "customer service". When you buy a new machine, you
expect it to be working properly and meet your requirements, without a
lot of "begging and pleading" emails. I certainly wouldn't want to use
downgrade rights, without the HDD being properly set up, so I don't have
to mess around. There would be nothing worse than discovering an Intel
driver was missing, and no driver was being written by Intel either.

I would not mind a new computer, with an MSDM license key in the BIOS, a
SLIC table in the BIOS, and a SLIC activated copy of Windows 7 on the
hard drive. That would leave open the possibility of dual booting a
Windows 10 OS I installed myself. Which is relatively easy to do. Get
the manufacturer to make sure the hardware is set up for OEM Windows 7.
That means an ACPI SLIC table to make Windows 7 work, no COA sticker on
the outside of the PC (MSDM requirement), and an MSDM custom key in the
BIOS as well. That's what a fully fledged computer would contain. The
critical ingredient is the SLIC table in the BIOS, as that's what an OEM
Win7 would use for activation. And make backups of the HDD as soon as
you get the machine - you can thank me later :-) If the disk dies, you
want an image to restore it with. Macrium Reflect Free can do that for
you.

Paul


I got a refurbished machine from micro systems a while back. I can't see
all their deals, but here is a windows 7 refurbished:
http://www.microcenter.com/
product/467346/6300_Desktop_Computer_Off_Lease_Refurbished
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Old December 8th 17, 02:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 08/12/2017 13:10, Dave Cohen wrote:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/4...se_Refurbished

(wrapped URL fixed)

"Available for In-Store Pickup Only."

.... so not much help to me in the far north.


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Old December 8th 17, 03:57 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Dave Cohen wrote:


I got a refurbished machine from micro systems a while back. I can't see
all their deals, but here is a windows 7 refurbished:
http://www.microcenter.com/
product/467346/6300_Desktop_Computer_Off_Lease_Refurbished


Which implies it left the shipping dock of the refurbisher,
before they could no longer put Windows 7 on it. And has
been sitting in MicroCenter for a year or more. Nothing
wrong with that. But the machines that used to be widely
for sale, which were not actually stored in a Staples
or Walmart warehouse, those are Win10 only now.

Paul
 




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