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Old January 2nd 18, 11:38 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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Q: Does AdBlock block the inside-the-video inline video ads on YouTube?


Can't say for sure, but I know that the MVP hosts file blocks all
youTube ads in all my browsers.
Ads
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Old January 2nd 18, 11:49 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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Is there a GUI for this "youtube-dl.exe" that would save all
that typing (especially with the addition of destination specification)?


youtube-dlG frontend (portable)
https://github.com/MrS0m30n3/youtube-dl-gui

youtube-dl-gui 1.52 (portable)
https://www.videohelp.com/software/youtube-dl-gui

yaYTDLFrontend (java portable)
https://bitbucket.org/qwertz19281/yaytdlfrontend/src
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Old January 2nd 18, 12:25 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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I've yet to run across a
video/audio file it can't pull a local copy of for me,


Try this video which had been posted before as a "harder" one to download:
https://youtu.be/VuNIsY6JdUw


4K Video Downloader had no problem downloading that Taylor Swift
video.
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Old January 2nd 18, 04:37 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 2/1/2018 10:52, Joe Scotch wrote:
I actually brought up a web browser (horrible things that they are), and
looked at YouTube and I see what you're talking about.

The color doesn't matter - but what matters is that they "schedule" what
you called 'slipstream' ads (although Diesel seems to be adding a lot of
value to our combined tribal understanding of what exactly they indicate).


If YouTube didn't honestly declare when advertisements would be inserted
(aka no colored bar in the seek bar), I don't think any simple add-ons
could block them.

Anyway, that's a long shot.

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Old January 2nd 18, 04:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 2/1/2018 23:37, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

If YouTube didn't honestly declare when advertisements would be inserted
(aka no colored bar in the seek bar), I don't think any simple add-ons
could block them.

Anyway, that's a long shot.


When that happened, you would need to use A.I. to analyze the video in a
bid to find the starting and ending point of advertisements.

In television broadcast, when the TV station logo disappear from the
corner, it's advertisement. Now, apply that to YouTube videos and you
would know what I said.

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Old January 2nd 18, 04:42 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 2/1/2018 08:16, Diesel wrote:

It's not really a slipstream. It's actually pausing the video you are
intentionally viewing and playing an advertising video; which is
entirely seperate and can even be downloaded using the plugin I happen
to use, if I wanted to do so.

When I'm using the plugin to leech a specific video, it doesn't include
the slipstream advertising because youtube isn't 'streaming' the video
to me at this point and has no control over the process. Instead, it
established a direct download link and is pulling the video/audio file
I wanted. So, there's nothing for youtube to pause and swap out on me.
The only way youtube could get around that would be to actually embed
the advertising into the original video, and, since alot of videos have
different formats and quality options, they'd have to do it to all of
them. Wasting storage space and processor resources on their end. I
don't see them intentionally doing that anytime soon.

https://flashgot.net/


Well said. Pardon my poor English, Master!

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Old January 2nd 18, 07:36 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On Mon, 1 Jan 2018 20:07:38 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Diesel" wrote

| the command line isn't outdated. It's still quite useful and very
| handy. In some instances you can do more quicker with the console than
| you can with the mouse. It's just not for everyone.
|

I click the DownloadHelper icon on the Firefox
toolbar. The alternative with youtube-dl
is to open a console window, type the incantation,
then copy and paste the URL from Firefox or
whatever other source. Then where did it download
the file to? Who knows? I'll have to read the vast
command line switch docs to figure that out.


You can read, right?

It can easily be the same way with a GUI system. Where did the
GUI program stick the file?

It's ridiculous. If some people are still fond
of conole that's OK, but they're not just
fond of it. Console is a retro fetish. The result
is that the 95% of people who want things
simple and easy are out of luck. There's just
no excuse for not making a GUI version these
days. Command line should be the afterthought,
the custom version for the few people who
want it.


Nope.

If I am creating a program, I will be working on implementing the
algorithm first. If I can get that going, then I work on the user
interface. If I can not get the basic program going, then the user
interface is irrelevant.

Command line is very useful. There are many things that I use it
for that a GUI would make quite awkward.

I use both command line and GUI. I like having more than one
tool.

By not creating a GUI version a large
percentage of people are blocked from being
able to use the software at all. It's just too
technically challenging. The reaction from the
console fetishists is that those people are suffering
justly due to their own stupidity.


Some people do. I do not.

There is a lot of promotion of how difficult it is to use the
command line. Consequently, some people never look.

I have no trouble figuring out a console program,
but unless it's absolutely the only option I never
will. For the same reason that I use a key to start
my car and haven't built in a crank to use instead.


I will use a useful tool regardless of how old (or unfashionable
or ...) it might be.

Sincerely,

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Old January 2nd 18, 09:07 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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"Gene Wirchenko" wrote

| I'll have to read the vast
| command line switch docs to figure that out.
|
| It can easily be the same way with a GUI system. Where did the
| GUI program stick the file?
|

No, that's one of the points of GUI. If it's designed
intuitively and follows standards then most of it is
self-explanatory. I download a video in Firefox by
clicking an icon. There's nothing to read. For console
I need to study the various incantations and make sure
I get the spaces/switches right. youtube-dl has *a lot*
of them.

Even just a slight wrapper, like an HTA or VBScript,
could make the whole thing a lot easier. Copy the
Firefox URL, double-click a script, paste the URL in and
click, having already pre-coded all the required command
line mess. (If I had any use for youtube-dl that's what
I'd do before I started using it.)

| If I am creating a program, I will be working on implementing the
| algorithm first. If I can get that going, then I work on the user
| interface. If I can not get the basic program going, then the user
| interface is irrelevant.
|

Obviously. If your code doesn't work then
neither command line nor UI will help.

But if you have something worth
putting together then part of the job is to
plan the best way to present it. It's not
easy making a really good UI design that's
intuitive. But it makes a big difference if one
uses the software often. Console is OK for
a one-time operation. That's what it's for.
But if you want to open files 200 times you
want a menu in a GUI. Why be limited to
1980 technology? If you're really going
to do the job right the GUI should accomodate
drag/drop, so I can just drag a file into the
window -- or onto a script -- and not have
to type a path.

Unfortunately, the OSS people are often
hardcore geeks who code well but don't relate
well to humans. Many of them take pride in
not writing docs, as though that were a job
for some kind of cleanup lackeys who they
expect to be following behind them. And many
like the obstacle of command line. They don't
want unappreciative civilians easily enjoying
their work. They want to share it with peers --
incantation-typing geeks in dark cellars who
will appreciate it.
Linux, GIMP, 7-Zip and so many more programs
are typical examples: The stability is there but
not the usability.

| There is a lot of promotion of how difficult it is to use the
| command line. Consequently, some people never look.

Why would anyone look if they don't have to?
What typical task on a modern computer is better
done with command line? Especially for someone
who's not used to it? Explorer wasn't invented
for kicks. It was invented because typing all those
lines is a pain in the neck. BAT and script files
exist for the same reason: If you have to do it
more than once or twice it's worth automating.

I'll use command line if
I have to. The last time I can remember actually
needing it was when I moved XP to a dual-core CPU
from single core and had to swap out hal.dll. A one-
time job. A rare task. A convoluted command string.
But that was OK because it's one-time. I don't
expect Microsoft to make a hal.dll swapout UI
program. But a program for downloading videos,
maybe daily? Yes, I expect a UI.


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Old January 3rd 18, 03:37 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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"Mayayana"
news alt.windows7.general, wrote:

"Diesel" wrote

| the command line isn't outdated. It's still quite useful and very
| handy. In some instances you can do more quicker with the console
| than you can with the mouse. It's just not for everyone.
|

I click the DownloadHelper icon on the Firefox
toolbar. The alternative with youtube-dl
is to open a console window, type the incantation,
then copy and paste the URL from Firefox or
whatever other source. Then where did it download
the file to? Who knows? I'll have to read the vast
command line switch docs to figure that out.


Unless otherwise specified, it's most likely going to be stored in
the folder from which you executed the program from. That's usually
the case. And, incidently, I didn't recommend any console based
downloader for video/audio leeching. I recommended a friendly plugin
for firefox; nice little 'gui' based thing. No promises it works with
the latest POS mozilla released as I don't run that on this machine,
because I like the plugins I have.





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Old January 3rd 18, 03:37 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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Joe Scotch news Jan 2018 01:21:48 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

/nIn vTmkB66N,
Diesel wrote:

I've yet to run across a
video/audio file it can't pull a local copy of for me,


Try this video which had been posted before as a "harder" one to
download:
https://youtu.be/VuNIsY6JdUw


I'm really not a taylor swift fan. [g] But, I've got it, no issues.

Course, I do have other downloading options in the event I find one
that isn't friendly to what I'm doing. rarely need to use them though.

and, it's not specific to youtube.


You bring up a good point, where I also believe the youtube
downloader executable I use is not specific to YouTube.


i don't think it is, but, cannot confirm that. I don't use it.




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Old January 3rd 18, 03:37 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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Joe Scotch news Jan 2018 03:38:47 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

/nIn news wrote:

This thing can't figure out for itself whether "AdBlocker
actually blocks the one type of (slipstream) ads inside a
YouTube video" ???


Hi John Doe,
I completely understand your need to troll, but I already said
that everyone who promotes Ad Blocker treats it as Jesus Christ
incarnate.


I've never actually used it. Noscript serves me well for most ad
blocking needs, although it's not specifically designed for that
single purpose.

We are trying to improve our tribal knowledge here.
You are trying to detract from that with your trolling of useless
drivel.


You've been a usenetter for a very long time, I suspect you may
infact predate me by a decade or more. That being said, you should
know that your post however well intended has most likely fallen on
deaf ears.




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Old January 3rd 18, 03:37 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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Joe Scotch news Jan 2018 19:50:30 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

The problem here is that some people think all Black people are
thieves, all Jews are scheisters, all Muslims are terrorists, all
Italians are in the Mafia, all Germans are white supremecists, all
women in skirts are whores, all gay men are sluts, etc.

To wit, some people think that anyone who wants privacy on the net
is trolling or spamming even though they don't troll nor do they
spam.


One individual in particular seems to be of the mistaken impression
that if you value your privacy online, you must have something to hide.
And, there's no concept of privacy online either. Obviously the
individual is mistaken on both counts. I also warn you in advance, if
you disagree with the individual concerning the above two matters, they
take it personally and seek to learn more about you, if possible. Under
the false guise of 'hunting bad guys' as, obviously to them, only bad
guys feel a need to be private.

My signature contains more information about the individual I've
briefly described above and I strongly encourage you to become
acquainted with the material offered. You clearly take additional steps
most regular users do not to ensure you're privacy, but, as they say
knowledge is power and knowing more about atleast one individual who
isn't out to help certainly can't hurt you.


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Old January 3rd 18, 03:37 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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M.L.
Tue, 02 Jan 2018
10:31:15 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

Windows has a native adblocker feature to allow YouTube
streaming without ads


This is a *great* idea.
How does one turn on this "native adblocker feature" in Windows?


You download a hosts (ad blacklist) file and copy it into
c:\Windows\System32\Drivers\etc\hosts


That requires the advertising servers to remain static. They can
change IP/domain names anytime they like, rendering the previous
entries null and void. The hosts file was never actually intended for
the way in which you suggest using it...Despite it working to a point
for that purpose. It's the wrong tool for the job.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a browser addon that can
download and extract from YouTube vids.


There's no value to an addon when all that is needed is a single
command:
youtube-dl.exe -f 18 {URL}


Command line downloading is inefficient if you want to download
multiple vids or extract multiple mp3s at a time.


It depends entirely on the command line and the tool you're using as
well as the site in which you're pulling the material from. One size
doesn't fit all.


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Old January 3rd 18, 06:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 15:07:19 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Gene Wirchenko" wrote

| I'll have to read the vast
| command line switch docs to figure that out.
|
| It can easily be the same way with a GUI system. Where did the
| GUI program stick the file?


No, that's one of the points of GUI. If it's designed
intuitively and follows standards then most of it is
self-explanatory. I download a video in Firefox by
clicking an icon. There's nothing to read. For console
I need to study the various incantations and make sure
I get the spaces/switches right. youtube-dl has *a lot*
of them.


When I download in Firefox, I always specify the destination.
Otherwise, I do *NOT* know where it puts it.

GUI can be just as obtuse as CUI.

Even just a slight wrapper, like an HTA or VBScript,
could make the whole thing a lot easier. Copy the
Firefox URL, double-click a script, paste the URL in and
click, having already pre-coded all the required command
line mess. (If I had any use for youtube-dl that's what
I'd do before I started using it.)

| If I am creating a program, I will be working on implementing the
| algorithm first. If I can get that going, then I work on the user
| interface. If I can not get the basic program going, then the user
| interface is irrelevant.


Obviously. If your code doesn't work then
neither command line nor UI will help.

But if you have something worth
putting together then part of the job is to
plan the best way to present it. It's not
easy making a really good UI design that's
intuitive. But it makes a big difference if one
uses the software often. Console is OK for
a one-time operation. That's what it's for.
But if you want to open files 200 times you
want a menu in a GUI. Why be limited to
1980 technology? If you're really going
to do the job right the GUI should accomodate
drag/drop, so I can just drag a file into the
window -- or onto a script -- and not have
to type a path.


Ah, but I can and do create batch files to automate a lot of
that. I have not seen a good system for that for GUI.

Unfortunately, the OSS people are often
hardcore geeks who code well but don't relate
well to humans. Many of them take pride in
not writing docs, as though that were a job
for some kind of cleanup lackeys who they
expect to be following behind them. And many
like the obstacle of command line. They don't
want unappreciative civilians easily enjoying
their work. They want to share it with peers --
incantation-typing geeks in dark cellars who
will appreciate it.
Linux, GIMP, 7-Zip and so many more programs
are typical examples: The stability is there but
not the usability.


Windows.

| There is a lot of promotion of how difficult it is to use the
| command line. Consequently, some people never look.

Why would anyone look if they don't have to?


I should have gone further. They do not look, *AND* they repeat
the statement that command line is so difficult.

What typical task on a modern computer is better
done with command line? Especially for someone
who's not used to it? Explorer wasn't invented
for kicks. It was invented because typing all those
lines is a pain in the neck. BAT and script files
exist for the same reason: If you have to do it
more than once or twice it's worth automating.


Yup.

I'll use command line if
I have to. The last time I can remember actually
needing it was when I moved XP to a dual-core CPU
from single core and had to swap out hal.dll. A one-
time job. A rare task. A convoluted command string.
But that was OK because it's one-time. I don't
expect Microsoft to make a hal.dll swapout UI
program. But a program for downloading videos,
maybe daily? Yes, I expect a UI.


Command line *is* a UI. There are cases where it is better.
There are cases where GUI is better. There are cases where it does
not matter much.

I use both according to circumstances. Typically, I use a
command line for programmer-type stuff and GUI for end-user-type
stuff, but the demarcation is not absolute.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
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Old January 3rd 18, 08:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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/nIn vTmkB66N, Diesel
wrote:

I've never actually used it. Noscript serves me well for most ad
blocking needs, although it's not specifically designed for that
single purpose.


There are two different philosophies at work here, and quite a few great
tools that almost everyone loves.

It's clear that many people love AdBlock freeware - that's a given.
It's also clear that many people love NoScript (yesscript included).

For the use model that most people employ, both are great.

But for *my* use model, both suck.

My use model is to use one browser for each task I do on the net, where
each browser is specifically set up for that one task. This has advantages,
but it also comes with disadvantages.

I have more browsers than almost any of you!

My entire Windows system is well organized and philosophically it keeps to
the KISS principle, one of whose tenets is that you try not to do anything
twice.

For that reason (among others) I *never* use browser plugins or addons
(some of which are privacy issues anyway).

In the past, I futzed with NoScript and all the related tools ad infinitum,
but I gave up. The simplest thing to do was just have a browser set up with
Java and another browser set up without java and then only use the one that
I had to use for the application.

Anyway, this is a long-winded explanation of why NoScript and AdBlock isn't
in the cards for my use model - but they're great tools for other use
models.

We are trying to improve our tribal knowledge here.
You are trying to detract from that with your trolling of useless
drivel.


You've been a usenetter for a very long time, I suspect you may
infact predate me by a decade or more. That being said, you should
know that your post however well intended has most likely fallen on
deaf ears.


In what I call the "bandying about" use model, it's not worth any effort to
shut down the trolls because the trolls, like a cancer, once they infest a
thread, have already killed it (they kill it the moment they see it).

You can't beat the trolls simply because they use the same tactics that
cancers use.

So for the "coffee shop banter" model of Usenet, where you really don't
care all that much about the thread, just ignoring the trolls causes them
to attempt to get fed somewhere else.

However ... I don't use the coffee-shop banter Usenet model.
I actually CARE about getting an answer in any given thread.

Hence, I try to shut down the cancer as soon as it happens, although, as I
noted, since they use a base method of destroying the thread, they will
always win whether you try to get rid of the troll cancer or not.

It's the nature of that troll, John Doe, to ruin a thread.
Why do they do that?
I don't know why - but we all know that these trolls thrive on being the
cancer of Usenet.
 




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