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Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?

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Scott wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?

It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with
which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not
convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case,
why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything
emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling
dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be
"better safe than sorry".

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Do unto others, then run like hell.

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On 12/03/2017 02:04 AM, Scott wrote:
Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?


I sell it and recommend it. I think it is the best one out there.
Home support is outsources and isn't very good. Business support
is good. It is the only AV you should use for a Windows based
Point of Sale system taking credit cards

If you need to figure out who does the best job, go to
av-comparatives.org and look over about six months of
their reports. See who is consistent.

If you are worried about them being Russia, don't. All
the fur that has been flying is not their doing, but some
rather nasty politics in this country. They just got
caught in the middle because they are Russian.

Like ALL other AV companies, they do ask for your permission
(Kaspersky Network) to analyze certain infected files. I
just decline. Some idiot in government security opted in and
got some of his classified docs sent to Kaspersky. Kaspersky
immediately shredded them and informed the sender. And
there is an exploit claiming to be Kaspersky out there. It may
be our own NSA. But who knows. It isn't Kaspersky.

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On 12/03/2017 02:16 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
Scott wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?

It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with
which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not
convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case,
why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything
emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling
dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be
"better safe than sorry".


You are being a bit selective.

By chance to you purchase anything from China? Their human right are
abysmal.

A lot of AV companies code in India. You know, the country who
nationals call Americans on the phone claiming to be from M$ and
attempting to steel credit card numbers? Do you buy anything
from India?

Do you buy anything from Muslim counties where girls are
sold by their fathers at age nine and are considered their
father's property and to only have half a brain and if they
get raped it is their fault and husbands are allow to beat
their wives and have sex slaves? Buy any textiles from Pakistan
lately?

Yes I know, Russia bribed one of our presidential candidates
into sell a YUGE amount of our uranium right to Russia.
Russia is not without its issues. Kaspersky is not one
of them.

Kasperski
 

On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 02:35:55 -0800, T wrote:

On 12/03/2017 02:16 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
Scott wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?

It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with
which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not
convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case,
why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything
emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling
dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be
"better safe than sorry".


You are being a bit selective.

By chance to you purchase anything from China? Their human right are
abysmal.

A lot of AV companies code in India. You know, the country who
nationals call Americans on the phone claiming to be from M$ and
attempting to steel credit card numbers? Do you buy anything
from India?

Do you buy anything from Muslim counties where girls are
sold by their fathers at age nine and are considered their
father's property and to only have half a brain and if they
get raped it is their fault and husbands are allow to beat
their wives and have sex slaves? Buy any textiles from Pakistan
lately?

Yes I know, Russia bribed one of our presidential candidates
into sell a YUGE amount of our uranium right to Russia.
Russia is not without its issues. Kaspersky is not one
of them.

With respect, I think you are perhaps missing the point here. The
issue is not disapproval of Russia per se but the security
implications of allowing data to be transferred to Russia if as is
claimed the Russian state is involved in espionage activities.

Both important human rights issues of course, but entirely different
considerations.

Kasperski
 

T wrote:

On 12/03/2017 02:16 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
Scott wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?

It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with
which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not
convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case,
why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything
emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling
dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be
"better safe than sorry".


You are being a bit selective.

By chance to you purchase anything from China? Their human right are
abysmal.

Within their own borders, yes. Try being black, Mexican or Muslim in
America.

A lot of AV companies code in India. You know, the country who
nationals call Americans on the phone claiming to be from M$ and
attempting to steel credit card numbers? Do you buy anything
from India?

Buying something Indian (spices and cheap clothes - can't think of anything
else) poses no security risk to me or the rest of the world.

Do you buy anything from Muslim counties where girls are
sold by their fathers at age nine and are considered their
father's property and to only have half a brain and if they
get raped it is their fault and husbands are allow to beat
their wives and have sex slaves? Buy any textiles from Pakistan
lately?

I have not had my security compromised by a cheap T-shirt so far, and think
my Y-fronts are fairly safe (from the cyber-espionage point of view,
anyway).

Yes I know, Russia bribed one of our presidential candidates
into sell a YUGE amount of our uranium right to Russia.
Russia is not without its issues. Kaspersky is not one
of them.

And purportedly meddled in the US elections to favour a candidate that
favours them.

There is something about the sheer dictatorial arrogance and ruthlessness
of Putin that makes me more suspicious of Russia than China or anywhere
else with a cyber-security influence - which was the only thing being
discussed here. For just a few of many example - the way he has invaded the
Crimea and annexed Ukrainian territory and got away with it, interfered in
Syria to support a chemical-warfare-using dictator and got away with it and
murdered his enemies on British soil and got away with it that makes me
mistrust anything vaguely to do with Russia. China at least contributes a
great deal to the world's economic setup and hasn't invaded anyone since
Tibet a long time ago. Russia contributes nothing to the rest of the world
except by using its gas supplies to politically manipulate those it can't
get away with invading.

Whilst they are not the only ones with a cyber-warfare capability they are
way, way up at the top of my list of people likely to have a backdoor in an
Antivirus program. However, as I said, I'd like some proof either way. An
assurance from someone who makes a profit from selling the product, whilst
probably correct, goes nowhere to convincing me. An American product from
Microsoft, albeit known to be marginally less effective at catching
viruses, appeals to me more - even with Trump in charge we have more in
common. If someone is going to nick my data, I'd rather it was the
Pentagon.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Yes, a second honeymoon would be a good idea, dear. With whom?

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On 12/03/2017 03:07 AM, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 02:35:55 -0800, T wrote:

On 12/03/2017 02:16 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
Scott wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?

It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with
which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not
convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case,
why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything
emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling
dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be
"better safe than sorry".


You are being a bit selective.

By chance to you purchase anything from China? Their human right are
abysmal.

A lot of AV companies code in India. You know, the country who
nationals call Americans on the phone claiming to be from M$ and
attempting to steel credit card numbers? Do you buy anything
from India?

Do you buy anything from Muslim counties where girls are
sold by their fathers at age nine and are considered their
father's property and to only have half a brain and if they
get raped it is their fault and husbands are allow to beat
their wives and have sex slaves? Buy any textiles from Pakistan
lately?

Yes I know, Russia bribed one of our presidential candidates
into sell a YUGE amount of our uranium right to Russia.
Russia is not without its issues. Kaspersky is not one
of them.

With respect, I think you are perhaps missing the point here. The
issue is not disapproval of Russia per se but the security
implications of allowing data to be transferred to Russia if as is
claimed the Russian state is involved in espionage activities.

Both important human rights issues of course, but entirely different
considerations.


Here is Kaspersky's statement:

https://usa.kaspersky.com/about/pres...n-july-11-2017

And an interview with Eugene Kaspersky:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41262049

If you are worried a espionage, don't use anything from India
or China.

Kasperski
 

On 12/03/2017 03:26 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
T wrote:


Within their own borders, yes. Try being black, Mexican or Muslim in
America.

That would explain why they are better off in America than
any other country int he worlds. Hmmmm.

A lot of AV companies code in India. You know, the country who
nationals call Americans on the phone claiming to be from M$ and
attempting to steel credit card numbers? Do you buy anything
from India?

Buying something Indian (spices and cheap clothes - can't think of anything
else) poses no security risk to me or the rest of the world.

Not my point Most software these days comes from Indian programmers.


Do you buy anything from Muslim counties where girls are
sold by their fathers at age nine and are considered their
father's property and to only have half a brain and if they
get raped it is their fault and husbands are allow to beat
their wives and have sex slaves? Buy any textiles from Pakistan
lately?

I have not had my security compromised by a cheap T-shirt so far, and think
my Y-fronts are fairly safe (from the cyber-espionage point of view,
anyway).

Do their sales fund any terrorist groups?


Yes I know, Russia bribed one of our presidential candidates
into sell a YUGE amount of our uranium right to Russia.
Russia is not without its issues. Kaspersky is not one
of them.

And purportedly meddled in the US elections to favour a candidate that
favours them.

That is a total crock of manure. It was made up by one of the loser
campaign staff as part of their dirty tricks campaign against the
winner.

There is something about the sheer dictatorial arrogance and ruthlessness
of Putin that makes me more suspicious of Russia than China or anywhere
else with a cyber-security influence - which was the only thing being
discussed here. For just a few of many example - the way he has invaded the
Crimea and annexed Ukrainian territory and got away with it, interfered in
Syria to support a chemical-warfare-using dictator and got away with it and
murdered his enemies on British soil and got away with it that makes me
mistrust anything vaguely to do with Russia. China at least contributes a
great deal to the world's economic setup and hasn't invaded anyone since
Tibet a long time ago. Russia contributes nothing to the rest of the world
except by using its gas supplies to politically manipulate those it can't
get away with invading.

Read your history. Crimea was always Russian. That does not
give them liberty in the Ukraine though, especially after the
forced famine during the Soviet Empire that killed so many
millions of Ukrainians.

Putin has announced that he is pulling his troops out of Syria.

And it is extremely hard to tell who did what to whom in that part
of the world. An enemy of my enemy is my friend and that will
change tomorrow. I have heard that the origin of the chemical
attacks have been called into question too.

Russia has its problems. Kaspersky is not one of them.

Both Trump and Putin have stated that they want better relations
with each other. I think that is a win win all around.
Starting another cold war is stupid.

China is in a full scale cyber war with America. You sure your Chinese
computer is safe?

And by the way, Trump did not pay Russian hooker to pee on Russian
hotel beds. That is the losers dirty tricks campaign again.

Whilst they are not the only ones with a cyber-warfare capability they are
way, way up at the top of my list of people likely to have a backdoor in an
Antivirus program. However, as I said, I'd like some proof either way. An
assurance from someone who makes a profit from selling the product, whilst
probably correct, goes nowhere to convincing me. An American product from
Microsoft, albeit known to be marginally less effective at catching
viruses, appeals to me more - even with Trump in charge we have more in
common. If someone is going to nick my data, I'd rather it was the
Pentagon.

Well, from a Beef Eater, that is a nice thing to say about us.
Thank you. It would be Langley doing the nicking by the way.

Kasperski
 

On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 10:04:46 +0000, Scott wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?

Barclays are now not offering free Kasperski anti-virus stuff to
customers and GCHQ are apparently recommending not to use it for
sensitive PCs. Steer clear, and avoid these Chinese routers (Huawei)
while you're about it.

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On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 11:58:40 +0000, mechanic
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 10:04:46 +0000, Scott wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?

Barclays are now not offering free Kasperski anti-virus stuff to
customers and GCHQ are apparently recommending not to use it for
sensitive PCs.

Indeed, this is what prompted my question. Neither, I believe, is at
this stage advising against for routine, non-sensitive applications.

Steer clear, and avoid these Chinese routers (Huawei)
while you're about it.

I have discovered that my Norton subscription covers three devices so
it seems to me that replacing Kasperski with Norton on my mobile phone
is now a 'no brainer'.

Kasperski
 

On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 03:34:23 -0800, T wrote:

On 12/03/2017 03:07 AM, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 02:35:55 -0800, T wrote:

On 12/03/2017 02:16 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
Scott wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?

It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with
which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not
convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case,
why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything
emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling
dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be
"better safe than sorry".


You are being a bit selective.

By chance to you purchase anything from China? Their human right are
abysmal.

A lot of AV companies code in India. You know, the country who
nationals call Americans on the phone claiming to be from M$ and
attempting to steel credit card numbers? Do you buy anything
from India?

Do you buy anything from Muslim counties where girls are
sold by their fathers at age nine and are considered their
father's property and to only have half a brain and if they
get raped it is their fault and husbands are allow to beat
their wives and have sex slaves? Buy any textiles from Pakistan
lately?

Yes I know, Russia bribed one of our presidential candidates
into sell a YUGE amount of our uranium right to Russia.
Russia is not without its issues. Kaspersky is not one
of them.

With respect, I think you are perhaps missing the point here. The
issue is not disapproval of Russia per se but the security
implications of allowing data to be transferred to Russia if as is
claimed the Russian state is involved in espionage activities.

Both important human rights issues of course, but entirely different
considerations.


Here is Kaspersky's statement:

https://usa.kaspersky.com/about/pres...n-july-11-2017

And an interview with Eugene Kaspersky:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41262049

Does a statement by a citizen act as a guarantee against interference
by the Russian State?

If you are worried a espionage, don't use anything from India
or China.

I assume you mean anything IT related.

Kasperski
 

On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 10:04:46 +0000, Scott
wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?

The US government is being overly caucus. They have a right to do
that. Never know what the ruskies will do. They are the enemy !


KenW

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T wrote:


Well, from a Beef Eater, that is a nice thing to say about us.
Thank you. It would be Langley doing the nicking by the way.

I live just a couple of miles from GCHQ in the UK, so I can drop my own
data in - just as if they'd be interested in me. :-)

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Inside every old man is a young man wondering what the hell happened.

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On 03/12/2017 10:04, Scott wrote:
Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?

I have always said over the years that people should be using well known
brand rather than using products from fringe manufacturers. Microsoft's
Windows Defender (in W10) is the best around from a known brand.
McAfee and Symantec are other two brands. The rest are all spyware,
malware or cripple-ware.

In fact anything Russian should simply be avoided until they are
prepared to stop interfering in western democracy.





--
With over 600 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

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On 03/12/2017 10:16, Bob Henson wrote:
Scott wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?
It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with
which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not
convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case,
why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything
emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling
dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be
"better safe than sorry".

Look the people who made the announcement are top notch researchers
working for the security services in United Kingdom and United states.
they can't give you any further info about how they came to this
decision because they don't want their enemies to know what evidence
they have and what tools they used to prove this. YOU DON'T GIVE AWAY
YOUR SECRETES.



--
With over 600 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

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On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 05:43:27 -0700, KenW
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 10:04:46 +0000, Scott
wrote:

Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?

The US government is being overly caucus. They have a right to do
that. Never know what the ruskies will do. They are the enemy !


KenW

Comrade Trump urges you to use Kasperksi! Putin told him there was no
problem with Kasperski so it must be ok. Kasperski is the most
beautiful anti virus!

Kasperski
 

Good Guy wrote:

On 03/12/2017 10:04, Scott wrote:
Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?

I have always said over the years that people should be using well known
brand rather than using products from fringe manufacturers. Microsoft's
Windows Defender (in W10) is the best around from a known brand.
McAfee and Symantec are other two brands. The rest are all spyware,
malware or cripple-ware.

NOD32 from ESET is first-rate. I wouldn't touch McAfee any more.

--
Tim Slattery
tim at risingdove dot com

Kasperski
 

On 12/03/2017 04:40 AM, Scott wrote:
Does a statement by a citizen act as a guarantee against interference
by the Russian State?

No and why just worry about the Russians. You are being
overly selective.

If you are worried a espionage, don't use anything from India
or China.

I assume you mean anything IT related.

Yes. And I was pointing out about being selective.

Kaspersky is just in the unfortunate position of being
between some nasty geopolitical politics. n Their
product is a good product. And it has been gone
over with a fine toothed comb. It is not the
Russian government spying on you.

Kasperski
 

On 12/03/2017 04:52 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
T wrote:


Well, from a Beef Eater, that is a nice thing to say about us.
Thank you. It would be Langley doing the nicking by the way.

I live just a couple of miles from GCHQ in the UK, so I can drop my own
data in - just as if they'd be interested in me. :-)


And I like Roast Beef too, so.

Don't you love the way us Americans are forbidden to use
our Government agencies to spy on candidates, so we as
your's to do it for us. What hypocrisy and abuse
of our relationship as allies.

Kasperski
 

So it's Sun, 03 Dec 2017 17:05:08 -0800, and T says:

Kaspersky is just in the unfortunate position of being between some
nasty geopolitical politics. n Their product is a good product. And it
has been gone over with a fine toothed comb. It is not the Russian
government spying on you.

(link will wrap, goddammit)

http://news.softpedia.com/news/kaspe...creating-fake-
malware-to-discredit-competitors-489333.shtml

Kasperski
 

On 12/03/2017 08:07 PM, Cows are nice wrote:
So it's Sun, 03 Dec 2017 17:05:08 -0800, and T says:

Kaspersky is just in the unfortunate position of being between some
nasty geopolitical politics. n Their product is a good product. And it
has been gone over with a fine toothed comb. It is not the Russian
government spying on you.

(link will wrap, goddammit)

http://news.softpedia.com/news/kaspe...creating-fake-
malware-to-discredit-competitors-489333.shtml


I was able to copy both lines into the clip board
and paste them into Firefox and the link worked.

I had seen that link before and wanted to cite it, but
I couldn't find it, It is very telling.

Kaspersky just got caught in the middle.

Kasperski
 

So it's Sun, 03 Dec 2017 20:51:46 -0800, and T says:
On 12/03/2017 08:07 PM, Cows are nice wrote:
....
(link will wrap, goddammit)

http://news.softpedia.com/news/kaspe...creating-fake-
malware-to-discredit-competitors-489333.shtml


I was able to copy both lines into the clip board and paste them into
Firefox and the link worked.

Which is so conveniently done in Linux by merely swiping across those
lines to select them, then middle-clicking where you want them pasted.
Not even using the clipboard, but the mouse cache.

--
With Linux powering all of the world's TOP 500 Supercomputers,
satisfaction is at an all-time high!

Kasperski
 

T wrote:

On 12/03/2017 04:52 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
T wrote:


Well, from a Beef Eater, that is a nice thing to say about us.
Thank you. It would be Langley doing the nicking by the way.

I live just a couple of miles from GCHQ in the UK, so I can drop my own
data in - just as if they'd be interested in me. :-)


And I like Roast Beef too, so.

Don't you love the way us Americans are forbidden to use
our Government agencies to spy on candidates, so we as
your's to do it for us. What hypocrisy and abuse
of our relationship as allies.

You sound as though you're about as trusting as I am - basically I don't
trust anybody, anywhere, anytime apart from me, and that's only because I
have insider information as to what I'm thinking. :-)

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.

Kasperski
 

On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:05:08 -0800, T wrote:

On 12/03/2017 04:40 AM, Scott wrote:
Does a statement by a citizen act as a guarantee against interference
by the Russian State?

No and why just worry about the Russians. You are being
overly selective.

I was following the stace of the US and UK governments, whom I assume
know something about the subject.

If you are worried a espionage, don't use anything from India
or China.

My internet security program does not originate in India or China, so
this is not pertinent to the question I asked.

I assume you mean anything IT related.

Yes. And I was pointing out about being selective.

If you mean that non IT products such as clothing and footware do not
contain malware then I would say there is some logic in being
selective.

Kaspersky is just in the unfortunate position of being
between some nasty geopolitical politics. n Their
product is a good product. And it has been gone
over with a fine toothed comb.

By the Russian government?

It is not the Russian government spying on you.

Unless the Russian goverment is spying on Kasperski?

Kasperski
 

On Mon,

Don't you love the way us Americans are forbidden to use
our Government agencies to spy on candidates, so we as
your's to do it for us. What hypocrisy and abuse
of our relationship as allies.

You sound as though you're about as trusting as I am - basically I don't
trust anybody, anywhere, anytime apart from me, and that's only because I
have insider information as to what I'm thinking. :-)

You're married then?
--
Jim S

Kasperski
 

Jim S wrote:

On Mon,

Don't you love the way us Americans are forbidden to use
our Government agencies to spy on candidates, so we as
your's to do it for us. What hypocrisy and abuse
of our relationship as allies.

You sound as though you're about as trusting as I am - basically I don't
trust anybody, anywhere, anytime apart from me, and that's only because I
have insider information as to what I'm thinking. :-)

You're married then?

There was a smiley at the end! If I am to be completely accurate about it,
my trust I would include my partner (albeit I've never had any insight into
women's thoughts or made any pretence of understanding them :-) ), my sons
and a very small select group of others.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

How do you get down from an elephants back? You don't, it comes from a
duck.

Kasperski
 

On 12/03/2017 09:07 PM, Cows are nice wrote:
So it's Sun, 03 Dec 2017 20:51:46 -0800, and T says:
On 12/03/2017 08:07 PM, Cows are nice wrote:
...
(link will wrap, goddammit)

http://news.softpedia.com/news/kaspe...creating-fake-
malware-to-discredit-competitors-489333.shtml


I was able to copy both lines into the clip board and paste them into
Firefox and the link worked.

Which is so conveniently done in Linux by merely swiping across those
lines to select them, then middle-clicking where you want them pasted.
Not even using the clipboard, but the mouse cache.


I know. I go a little nuts when doing a lot of text work in Windows.
Linux actually has four clipboards. I have a reference for them
kicking around somewhere if you want it.

Kasperski
 

On 12/04/2017 02:15 AM, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:05:08 -0800, T wrote:

On 12/03/2017 04:40 AM, Scott wrote:
Does a statement by a citizen act as a guarantee against interference
by the Russian State?

No and why just worry about the Russians. You are being
overly selective.

I was following the stace of the US and UK governments, whom I assume
know something about the subject.


You are overlooking the tons of political nastiness going on
over the swamp losing the election and the fake Russian dossier
the loser's dirty tricks campaign ginned up.

If you are worried a espionage, don't use anything from India
or China.

My internet security program does not originate in India or China, so
this is not pertinent to the question I asked.

I assume you mean anything IT related.

Yes. And I was pointing out about being selective.

If you mean that non IT products such as clothing and footware do not
contain malware then I would say there is some logic in being
selective.

You know what I meant.

Kaspersky is just in the unfortunate position of being
between some nasty geopolitical politics. n Their
product is a good product. And it has been gone
over with a fine toothed comb.

By the Russian government?

You know what I meant. Stop slicing the baloney.


It is not the Russian government spying on you.

Unless the Russian goverment is spying on Kasperski?

All governments are spying the asses off. Kaspersky just
got caught in the middle of some nasty dirty tricks politics.

Just my opinion, but starting up the cold war again is stupid.
The swamp lost. Grow up, get over it, practice your goose
stepping, and do a better job of convincing the American people
next time. And stop looking for Russians under your beds.
We have real enemies out there to deal with. The Russians
are not them. And Russians did not steel our election. The
public just didn't like the hoodlum and voted against her.

Kasperski
 

On 12/04/2017 12:18 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
You sound as though you're about as trusting as I am - basically I don't
trust anybody, anywhere, anytime apart from me, and that's only because I
have insider information as to what I'm thinking.:-)

Our swamp is lying if their mouth are moving. Our news
media (American Pravda) spins and twists and outright
makes things up (fake news).

Last week American Pravda were incensed over Ivanka Trump
plagiarizing her own speech. No fooling! Gee Wiz, I
broke in to my own car yesterday!!!!

Remember the absolute manure that was spread about Brexit. That
is what it is like over here.

I am also a drug free T2 Diabetic. I had to figure it out on my
own. The American Diabetes Association exists for their
own aggrandizement (drugs, carbs, slow suicide). The allopaths
I saw (except one) withheld information that would have cost
them money. The corruption and conflicts of interest involved
in T2 diabetes is something to behold.

Now a days, you'd better not be too trusting. You have to
look for conflicts of interest when you make your judgments.
And yes, I am an old fart (in training).

Kasperski
 

So it's Mon, 04 Dec 2017 05:28:30 -0800, and T says:
On 12/03/2017 09:07 PM, Cows are nice wrote:

Not even using the clipboard, but the mouse cache.

I know. I go a little nuts when doing a lot of text work in Windows.
Linux actually has four clipboards. I have a reference for them kicking
around somewhere if you want it.

FOUR?? Yes, share more info about the four clipboards.

Kasperski
 

On 12/3/2017 6:04 PM, Scott wrote:
Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?

Window$ Defender came bundled with Win 10. So...

--
@~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!!
/ v \ Simplicity is Beauty!
/( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you!
^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3
�借貸! ��騙! ��交! �打交! �打劫! �自殺! 請考慮綜� (CSSA):
http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa

Kasperski
 

On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 05:41:32 -0800, T wrote:

On 12/04/2017 02:15 AM, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:05:08 -0800, T wrote:

On 12/03/2017 04:40 AM, Scott wrote:
Does a statement by a citizen act as a guarantee against interference
by the Russian State?

No and why just worry about the Russians. You are being
overly selective.

I was following the stace of the US and UK governments, whom I assume
know something about the subject.


You are overlooking the tons of political nastiness going on
over the swamp losing the election and the fake Russian dossier
the loser's dirty tricks campaign ginned up.

If you are worried a espionage, don't use anything from India
or China.

My internet security program does not originate in India or China, so
this is not pertinent to the question I asked.

I assume you mean anything IT related.

Yes. And I was pointing out about being selective.

If you mean that non IT products such as clothing and footware do not
contain malware then I would say there is some logic in being
selective.

You know what I meant.

Kaspersky is just in the unfortunate position of being
between some nasty geopolitical politics. n Their
product is a good product. And it has been gone
over with a fine toothed comb.

By the Russian government?

You know what I meant. Stop slicing the baloney.


It is not the Russian government spying on you.

Unless the Russian goverment is spying on Kasperski?

All governments are spying the asses off. Kaspersky just
got caught in the middle of some nasty dirty tricks politics.

Just my opinion, but starting up the cold war again is stupid.
The swamp lost. Grow up, get over it, practice your goose
stepping, and do a better job of convincing the American people
next time. And stop looking for Russians under your beds.
We have real enemies out there to deal with. The Russians
are not them. And Russians did not steel our election. The
public just didn't like the hoodlum and voted against her.

So your point is, caller, that there should be no concerns about
reports of Russian cyber-espionage, no concerns about Kasperski being
based in Russia, the US and UK governments are displaying paranoia and
given a choice between Kasperski and a non-Russian alternative there
is no reason to go for the latter - and all because the head of
Kasperski says so.

Kasperski
 

On 12/04/2017 07:36 AM, Cows are nice wrote:
So it's Mon, 04 Dec 2017 05:28:30 -0800, and T says:
On 12/03/2017 09:07 PM, Cows are nice wrote:

Not even using the clipboard, but the mouse cache.

I know. I go a little nuts when doing a lot of text work in Windows.
Linux actually has four clipboards. I have a reference for them kicking
around somewhere if you want it.

FOUR?? Yes, share more info about the four clipboards.


This link is about the secondary selection (the third clipboard).
The video will cover all four.

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl/secondary-selection.html

secondary selection is awesome for programming as you can
pick off stuff and paste it without losing your cursor location

Kasperski
 

On 12/04/2017 09:17 AM, Scott wrote:
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 05:41:32 -0800, T wrote:

On 12/04/2017 02:15 AM, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:05:08 -0800, T wrote:

On 12/03/2017 04:40 AM, Scott wrote:
Does a statement by a citizen act as a guarantee against interference
by the Russian State?

No and why just worry about the Russians. You are being
overly selective.

I was following the stace of the US and UK governments, whom I assume
know something about the subject.


You are overlooking the tons of political nastiness going on
over the swamp losing the election and the fake Russian dossier
the loser's dirty tricks campaign ginned up.

If you are worried a espionage, don't use anything from India
or China.

My internet security program does not originate in India or China, so
this is not pertinent to the question I asked.

I assume you mean anything IT related.

Yes. And I was pointing out about being selective.

If you mean that non IT products such as clothing and footware do not
contain malware then I would say there is some logic in being
selective.

You know what I meant.

Kaspersky is just in the unfortunate position of being
between some nasty geopolitical politics. n Their
product is a good product. And it has been gone
over with a fine toothed comb.

By the Russian government?

You know what I meant. Stop slicing the baloney.


It is not the Russian government spying on you.

Unless the Russian goverment is spying on Kasperski?

All governments are spying the asses off. Kaspersky just
got caught in the middle of some nasty dirty tricks politics.

Just my opinion, but starting up the cold war again is stupid.
The swamp lost. Grow up, get over it, practice your goose
stepping, and do a better job of convincing the American people
next time. And stop looking for Russians under your beds.
We have real enemies out there to deal with. The Russians
are not them. And Russians did not steel our election. The
public just didn't like the hoodlum and voted against her.

So your point is, caller, that there should be no concerns about
reports of Russian cyber-espionage, no concerns about Kasperski being
based in Russia, the US and UK governments are displaying paranoia and
given a choice between Kasperski and a non-Russian alternative there
is no reason to go for the latter - and all because the head of
Kasperski says so.


My point is to not let Gleichschaltung be your point of reference.

Kasperski
 

T wrote:

On 12/04/2017 12:18 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
You sound as though you're about as trusting as I am - basically I don't
trust anybody, anywhere, anytime apart from me, and that's only because I
have insider information as to what I'm thinking.:-)

Our swamp is lying if their mouth are moving. Our news
media spins and twists and outright
makes things up (fake news).

You're describing Brietbart, Fox, and the other right-wing liars,
right?

--
Tim Slattery
tim at risingdove dot com

Kasperski
 

On Tue, 05 Dec 2017 13:19:32 -0500, Tim Slattery
wrote:

T wrote:

On 12/04/2017 12:18 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
You sound as though you're about as trusting as I am - basically I don't
trust anybody, anywhere, anytime apart from me, and that's only because I
have insider information as to what I'm thinking.:-)

Our swamp is lying if their mouth are moving. Our news
media spins and twists and outright
makes things up (fake news).

You're describing Brietbart, Fox, and the other right-wing liars,
right?

Another idiot.

Just the other day, ABC put out the news that Trump had asked Flynn to
contact Russia while he was a candidate. Was that a lie by Breitbart,
Fox or others?

What about the Russian collusion story that CNN, MSNBC and the
Democrats have put out where "the evidence is mounting" yet none
actually exists to lead to any kind of charge against Trump or even
the Republicans?

In reality, liberals are perverts, pedophiles and thieves. Let's not
forget that the Clintons became multi-millionaires after leaving
office and that liberals in general seem to be accused of sexual
assault on a daily basis whether it's Weinstein in Hollywood, Franken
in the Senate or Conyers in Congress. Need we mention Ben Affleck and
Dustin Hoffman, both liberals?

Face it, you've got nothing. Liberalism is a mental illness and you're
proof of it.

Kasperski
 

On 12/05/2017 01:18 PM, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Tue, 05 Dec 2017 13:19:32 -0500, Tim Slattery
wrote:

T wrote:

On 12/04/2017 12:18 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
You sound as though you're about as trusting as I am - basically I don't
trust anybody, anywhere, anytime apart from me, and that's only because I
have insider information as to what I'm thinking.:-)

Our swamp is lying if their mouth are moving. Our news
media spins and twists and outright
makes things up (fake news).

You're describing Brietbart, Fox, and the other right-wing liars,
right?

Another idiot.

Just the other day, ABC put out the news that Trump had asked Flynn to
contact Russia while he was a candidate. Was that a lie by Breitbart,
Fox or others?

What about the Russian collusion story that CNN, MSNBC and the
Democrats have put out where "the evidence is mounting" yet none
actually exists to lead to any kind of charge against Trump or even
the Republicans?

In reality, liberals are perverts, pedophiles and thieves. Let's not
forget that the Clintons became multi-millionaires after leaving
office and that liberals in general seem to be accused of sexual
assault on a daily basis whether it's Weinstein in Hollywood, Franken
in the Senate or Conyers in Congress. Need we mention Ben Affleck and
Dustin Hoffman, both liberals?

Face it, you've got nothing. Liberalism is a mental illness and you're
proof of it.


Beautiful description.

Left wingers need to publish a Rosetta stone for their prose.

"liar": I disagree with you and do not like you.
"racist": I disagree with you and do not like you.

None of the above mean you are an actual liar or racist. It just
means you violated Gleichschaltung and dared to think for yourself.

And don't forget to blame the other guy for what you do (Fox and
Breitbart are the liars, ya right). Would that be their Uncle
Goebbels or Rules for Radicals or both? Not much difference.

Kasperski
 

On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 00:10:36 -0800, T wrote:

On 12/05/2017 01:18 PM, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Tue, 05 Dec 2017 13:19:32 -0500, Tim Slattery
wrote:

T wrote:

On 12/04/2017 12:18 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
You sound as though you're about as trusting as I am - basically I don't
trust anybody, anywhere, anytime apart from me, and that's only because I
have insider information as to what I'm thinking.:-)

Our swamp is lying if their mouth are moving. Our news
media spins and twists and outright
makes things up (fake news).

You're describing Brietbart, Fox, and the other right-wing liars,
right?

Another idiot.

Just the other day, ABC put out the news that Trump had asked Flynn to
contact Russia while he was a candidate. Was that a lie by Breitbart,
Fox or others?

What about the Russian collusion story that CNN, MSNBC and the
Democrats have put out where "the evidence is mounting" yet none
actually exists to lead to any kind of charge against Trump or even
the Republicans?

In reality, liberals are perverts, pedophiles and thieves. Let's not
forget that the Clintons became multi-millionaires after leaving
office and that liberals in general seem to be accused of sexual
assault on a daily basis whether it's Weinstein in Hollywood, Franken
in the Senate or Conyers in Congress. Need we mention Ben Affleck and
Dustin Hoffman, both liberals?

Face it, you've got nothing. Liberalism is a mental illness and you're
proof of it.


Beautiful description.

Left wingers need to publish a Rosetta stone for their prose.

"liar": I disagree with you and do not like you.
"racist": I disagree with you and do not like you.

None of the above mean you are an actual liar or racist. It just
means you violated Gleichschaltung and dared to think for yourself.

And don't forget to blame the other guy for what you do (Fox and
Breitbart are the liars, ya right). Would that be their Uncle
Goebbels or Rules for Radicals or both? Not much difference.

The funny thing about Fox News is that it has only _recently_ become
available to people here in Canada and only then, on certain cable
systems only. As a result, when pigs like Michael Moore claimed that
the only thing the channel did was lie, we had no choice but to take
his word for it.

Meanwhile, my wife and I have subscribed to it last year and so far,
it is the most honest news agency on television. Whereas CNN, MSNBC
and the networks are constantly claiming that everything Trump does
(even eating two desserts) is controversial and unbecoming of a
president, Fox News actually analyzes what's going on and gives you
details that you can verify on your own to be true. The only drawback
about its news is that whereas they make an excellent case for
liberals being thieves or perverts, the justice system does very
little about actually arresting these criminal. It's basically like
watching an excellent movie every day and ending up with the typical
ending to a 80s comedy (everybody is happy in their ignorance and they
dance to some generic rock tune).

Kasperski
 

On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 09:09:37 -0500, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2017-12-06 03:10, T wrote:
[...]
None of the above mean you are an actual liar or racist.* It just
means you violated Gleichschaltung and dared to think for yourself.
[...]

Pots calling kettles black.

Tiresome.

Quiet, liberal.

Kasperski
 

On 12/06/2017 08:33 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-12-06 11:03, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 09:09:37 -0500, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2017-12-06 03:10, T wrote:
[...]
None of the above mean you are an actual liar or racist.Â* It just
means you violated Gleichschaltung and dared to think for yourself.
[...]

Pots calling kettles black.

Tiresome.

Quiet, liberal.


ROTFLMAO

You have no idea. Or ideas, for that metter.


Go practice your goose stepping.