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Why did they ruin Skype
In message , micky
writes: [] d) they've gotten rid of the service you could call and talk to and it would play back what you've said. Even on the XP version which continues to show it I think because it's in my personal list of contacts (even though I didnt' come up with it. It was there when I installed Skype) it doesn't work anymore. That was nice but I can live You mean "Echo / Sound Test Service", which is in my contacts list (I too didn't put it there) on my 7.29.0.102 (on my W7 machine)? It shows as Online, and when I call it, "welcome to Skype'CallTesting service" (with the rather odd speech pattern), then asks me to record a test, and plays it back. Still there for me! without it. I can always call my home phone, listen to its message and Only if you've paid Skype to let it let you call ordinary 'phones. leave a message there to check the speaker and mike level. Though the self-testing service lets you hear your level compared to hers, which is easier. I hate this new practice of putting the options all over the screen. It worked better when there is a row of drop-down menus at the top. Agreed (not just for Skype). Though for Skype (version as above) I _do_ have a menu bar; I can't see any setting in Skype (I was half expecting to find View | Menu Bar), so I think it's something I've set up as a generic setting in Windows. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf I don't see the requirement to upset people. ... There's enough to make fun of without offending. - Ronnie Corbett, in Radio Times 6-12 August 2011. |
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Why did they ruin Skype
micky on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:20:37 -0500
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following: I hate this new practice of putting the options all over the screen. It worked better when there is a row of drop-down menus at the top. It is all meant to "enhance the Computer experience." I'd like to go to the design office, and enhance their office expereience according to what the latest study shows is a better way of doing it. Or because I got bored with the way it is. (I got only so much RAM in the Wetware, I can use it to get what I want done, or fiddle with the computer.) Set phasers to "Deep Fat Fry, Extra Crispy, Cajun style." -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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Why did they ruin Skype
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 27 Nov 2016 08:38:22
-0500, Arnie Goetchius wrote: Brian Gregory wrote: On 25/11/2016 07:32, micky wrote: Rant number 75. For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better things to come, it's the only Skype you can get. But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only Skype I could get. Who says? I've seem windows 10 PCs running Skype 7.something just fine as far as I could see. It looked just like the Skype I run on My Windows 7 laptop. Perhaps I could unintall Skype Preview, but it's not listed in Programs and Features. So, perhaps I could install a different version over it. Other posters wrote about that but IIRC, it wasn't certain to work. snip Same here. No problems. I orioginally installed Skype under Win 7 and then did the free upgrade to Win 10 and it works the same as under Win 7. My version is 7.30.64.105 which, according to Skype Help, is the latest version. That's probably because they call what I have Skype Preview, although even though it's "new" it's version 10. something. Anyhow that must be the difference. My computer was also upgraded from 7 but it probably didn't have Skype at the time. OR Skype Preview wan't part of the origina 10 install, but it came later. I wouldn't be surprised if it will come to you too. Maybe you can turn off automatic updates for Skype. Although other than losing the ability to call in for a mike and speaker test, it's not so bad now that I manage to find Light Mode. And I was wrong about Echo/Sound Test Service not working in XP. Maybe I clicked wrong because a touchpad instead of plugging in a mouse but it worked the next time I tried it on XP. And it works in win10 too -- it's in the list of numbers you have called -- But there is still a substantial problem with Skype Preview. Skype in XP has iirc the ability to test and set the level of the microphone without calling the Test Service. This is much faster and easier than calling the Test Service. and I've looked all over Preview one more time and it's not there. So they didnt' totally ruin it but they weakened it. |
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Why did they ruin Skype
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:04:35
+0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , micky writes: [] d) they've gotten rid of the service you could call and talk to and it would play back what you've said. Even on the XP version which continues to show it I think because it's in my personal list of contacts (even though I didnt' come up with it. It was there when I installed Skype) it doesn't work anymore. That was nice but I can live You mean "Echo / Sound Test Service", which is in my contacts list (I too didn't put it there) on my 7.29.0.102 (on my W7 machine)? It shows as Online, and when I call it, "welcome to Skype'CallTesting service" (with the rather odd speech pattern), then asks me to record a test, and plays it back. Still there for me! I was wrong about that. Sorry. I was probably looking in Settings, Preference, or Options, whatever they call it, and instead it's in alphabetical order among the contacts, as you say. without it. I can always call my home phone, listen to its message and Only if you've paid Skype to let it let you call ordinary 'phones. Yes, you have to put in I think it's a minimum of $10 to start and then it's about 3cents a minute, maybe less, to call locally or long distance and not too much more to call most foreign countries. Going back maybe before I had a cell phone, I was glad to do that so I can call long distance when I'm at other people's houses without mooching off of them. And it was the successor to Net2Phon, which iirc existed before anyone had a cellphone (other than the one that was as big as a wwii walkie-talkie.) Also I changed my long distance from Bell to a cheaper service, which then charged me, not only more than they said they would charge when I signed up, but more than their webpage said they were charging at the moment. But I dragged my feet about gathering data and complaining and they cancelled me. So I had no long distance, within the US or out of the country, for a couple years**,and I used Skype for that. It was good. But this fee is not like the monthly recurring fee to have an incoming Skype phone number in digits, that can be called from an ordinary phone. Committing to a monthly fee is a lot more money. (One can call for free another Skype customer if Skype is running on his computer or phone, using his Skype name, not a phone *number*. **I kept trying to find a long distance service similar to the one that had cancelled me, and maybe I was just stupid since they all talked about the rate to foreign countries but no one talked about calling in the US long distance. I finally signed up for one that works very well, and it's only reference to calling in the US is that the US is in the list of 200 countries that it gives the rate for. Maybe the others were like that too and I forced myself to use Skype for no good reason. I have $7 remaining in my account but I think I spent the first 10. leave a message there to check the speaker and mike level. Though the self-testing service lets you hear your level compared to hers, which is easier. Yes, that works fine and it's free. I hate this new practice of putting the options all over the screen. It worked better when there is a row of drop-down menus at the top. Agreed (not just for Skype). Thunderbird!! How come you and I know this but those writers don't? Though for Skype (version as above) I _do_ have a menu bar; Skype Preview? I can't see any setting in Skype (I was half expecting to find View | Menu Bar), so I think it's something I've set up as a generic setting in Windows. Hmmm. |
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Why did they ruin Skype
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:20:40
-0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: micky on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:20:37 -0500 typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following: I hate this new practice of putting the options all over the screen. It worked better when there is a row of drop-down menus at the top. It is all meant to "enhance the Computer experience." That must be it. ;-( I'd like to go to the design office, and enhance their office expereience according to what the latest study shows is a better way Study, shmudy. I want them to do it my way, our way. How come the 3 of us know it's better and they don't? of doing it. Or because I got bored with the way it is. (I got only so much RAM in the Wetware, I can use it to get what I want done, or fiddle with the computer.) Set phasers to "Deep Fat Fry, Extra Crispy, Cajun style." |
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Why did they ruin Skype
B00ze on Sat, 26 Nov 2016 00:47:05 -0500 typed
in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following: On 2016-11-25 07:47, CRNG wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 02:32:41 -0500, micky wrote in But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only Skype I could get. And boy did they ruin it. MS does that a lot. Yeah, but then there is Symantec, who buy companies, just to kill all their products, and cherry-pick 10 lines of code from one to integrate in theirs. At least MS tries to keep the products alive for a little bit longer ;-) Microsoft motto is "Embrace, extend, and extinguish", also known as "Embrace, extend, and exterminate". Or "fix it so it doesn't work with anyone else's version, then micrate it to our version." -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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Why did they ruin Skype
micky on Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:07:47 -0500
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following: In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:20:40 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: micky on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:20:37 -0500 typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following: I hate this new practice of putting the options all over the screen. It worked better when there is a row of drop-down menus at the top. It is all meant to "enhance the Computer experience." That must be it. ;-( I'd like to go to the design office, and enhance their office expereience according to what the latest study shows is a better way Study, shmudy. Hey, I spent a lot of time and effort on that study! -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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Why did they ruin Skype
In message , micky
writes: In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:04:35 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: [] too didn't put it there) on my 7.29.0.102 (on my W7 machine)? It shows [] Though for Skype (version as above) I _do_ have a menu bar; Skype Preview? No, normal Skype - version as above - on my W7 machine. I can't see any setting in Skype (I was half expecting to find View | Menu Bar), so I think it's something I've set up as a generic setting in Windows. Hmmm. I _might_ be wrong about that. I "know" (from other people) that another piece of software (Turnpike), that was, unfortunately, designed to look like an (Windows) Explorer shell extension, loses its menu bar by default when run in 7, and there's no setting _in Turnpike_ to bring it back, but it can be brought back (in Turnpike) by changing a setting in normal Windows Explorer. That's probably something different to your Skype Preview. Worth having a look under View, though: I've found quite a lot of software where you can get back the menu bar, it's just turned off by default, by looking in the View menu (sometimes View | Toolbars). Of course, if you haven't _got_ a menu, you can't select View - but Alt-V often brings it up. (In fact sometimes, the menus appear as soon as you press the Alt key, though disappear if you let go of it.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf As the man said when confronted by a large dinner salad, "This isn't food. This is what food eats." |
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Why did they ruin Skype
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:36:33
+0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , micky writes: In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:04:35 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: [] too didn't put it there) on my 7.29.0.102 (on my W7 machine)? It shows [] Though for Skype (version as above) I _do_ have a menu bar; Skype Preview? No, normal Skype - version as above - on my W7 machine. I can't see any setting in Skype (I was half expecting to find View | Menu Bar), so I think it's something I've set up as a generic setting in Windows. Hmmm. I _might_ be wrong about that. I "know" (from other people) that another piece of software (Turnpike), that was, unfortunately, designed to look like an (Windows) Explorer shell extension, loses its menu bar by default when run in 7, and there's no setting _in Turnpike_ to bring it back, but it can be brought back (in Turnpike) by changing a setting in normal Windows Explorer. That's probably something different to your Skype Preview. Worth having a look under View, though: I've found quite Alas, Skype Preview has no View. The "virus" has spread that far. a lot of software where you can get back the menu bar, it's just turned off by default, by looking in the View menu (sometimes View | Toolbars). No Toolbars entry either. Of course, if you haven't _got_ a menu, you can't select View - but Alt-V often brings it up. (In fact sometimes, the menus appear as soon as you press the Alt key, though disappear if you let go of it.) I should have thought of this but alas, neither it nor the two of them did anything (except send a coded message to MS that I'm a trouble-maker. This sort of thing is why someone called me a week ago to say that my Windows license had been suspended.). |
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Why did they ruin Skype
micky wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 27 Nov 2016 08:38:22 -0500, Arnie Goetchius wrote: Brian Gregory wrote: On 25/11/2016 07:32, micky wrote: Rant number 75. For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better things to come, it's the only Skype you can get. But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only Skype I could get. Who says? I've seem windows 10 PCs running Skype 7.something just fine as far as I could see. It looked just like the Skype I run on My Windows 7 laptop. Perhaps I could unintall Skype Preview, but it's not listed in Programs and Features. So, perhaps I could install a different version over it. Other posters wrote about that but IIRC, it wasn't certain to work. snip Same here. No problems. I orioginally installed Skype under Win 7 and then did the free upgrade to Win 10 and it works the same as under Win 7. My version is 7.30.64.105 which, according to Skype Help, is the latest version. That's probably because they call what I have Skype Preview, although even though it's "new" it's version 10. something. Anyhow that must be the difference. My computer was also upgraded from 7 but it probably didn't have Skype at the time. OR Skype Preview wan't part of the origina 10 install, but it came later. I wouldn't be surprised if it will come to you too. Maybe you can turn off automatic updates for Skype. Although other than losing the ability to call in for a mike and speaker test, it's not so bad now that I manage to find Light Mode. And I was wrong about Echo/Sound Test Service not working in XP. Maybe I clicked wrong because a touchpad instead of plugging in a mouse but it worked the next time I tried it on XP. And it works in win10 too -- it's in the list of numbers you have called -- But there is still a substantial problem with Skype Preview. Skype in XP has iirc the ability to test and set the level of the microphone without calling the Test Service. This is much faster and easier than calling the Test Service. and I've looked all over Preview one more time and it's not there. So they didnt' totally ruin it but they weakened it. How about uninstalling Skype Preview as shown he https://www.perfectcloud.org/fix-it/...in-windows-10/ and then installing full Skype as shown he https://www.skype.com/en/download-sk...-for-computer/ |
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Why did they ruin Skype
In message , micky
writes: [] I should have thought of this but alas, neither it nor the two of them did anything (except send a coded message to MS that I'm a trouble-maker. This sort of thing is why someone called me a week ago to say that my Windows license had been suspended.). Did he have an Asian accent, and ask you to run such-and-such a tool so he could take control of your machine to help you "fix" it (-:? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf in the kingdom of the bland, the one idea is king. - Rory Bremner (on politics), RT 2015/1/31-2/6 |
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Why did they ruin Skype
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sat, 3 Dec 2016 18:33:34
+0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , micky writes: [] I should have thought of this but alas, neither it nor the two of them did anything (except send a coded message to MS that I'm a trouble-maker. This sort of thing is why someone called me a week ago to say that my Windows license had been suspended.). Did he have an Asian accent, and ask you to run such-and-such a tool so he could take control of your machine to help you "fix" it (-:? No accent! Other than American. It was, a recorded message which I in turn recorded on my answering machine so a) I didn't hear all of it, b) I'm going to let the two machines sort it out. My answering machine has more business sense than I do. |
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Why did they ruin Skype
micky on Sat, 03 Dec 2016 15:59:31 -0500
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following: In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sat, 3 Dec 2016 18:33:34 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , micky writes: [] I should have thought of this but alas, neither it nor the two of them did anything (except send a coded message to MS that I'm a trouble-maker. This sort of thing is why someone called me a week ago to say that my Windows license had been suspended.). Did he have an Asian accent, and ask you to run such-and-such a tool so he could take control of your machine to help you "fix" it (-:? No accent! Other than American. It was, a recorded message which I in turn recorded on my answering machine so a) I didn't hear all of it, b) I'm going to let the two machines sort it out. My answering machine has more business sense than I do. "Have your machine call my machine, we'll do lunch.". -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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Why did they ruin Skype
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sat, 3 Dec 2016 12:44:24
-0500, Arnie Goetchius wrote: micky wrote: In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 27 Nov 2016 08:38:22 -0500, Arnie Goetchius wrote: Brian Gregory wrote: On 25/11/2016 07:32, micky wrote: Rant number 75. For some reason I looked at Skype on win10. They call it Skype Preview and it comes preloaded, but apparently it's not a preview of better things to come, it's the only Skype you can get. But they don't tell you this so I had to google skype and when that didn't help I googled skype win10 and you'd think that would do it but I still had to hunt before I found that Skype Preview was the only Skype I could get. Who says? I've seem windows 10 PCs running Skype 7.something just fine as far as I could see. It looked just like the Skype I run on My Windows 7 laptop. Perhaps I could unintall Skype Preview, but it's not listed in Programs and Features. So, perhaps I could install a different version over it. Other posters wrote about that but IIRC, it wasn't certain to work. snip Same here. No problems. I orioginally installed Skype under Win 7 and then did the free upgrade to Win 10 and it works the same as under Win 7. My version is 7.30.64.105 which, according to Skype Help, is the latest version. That's probably because they call what I have Skype Preview, although even though it's "new" it's version 10. something. Anyhow that must be the difference. My computer was also upgraded from 7 but it probably didn't have Skype at the time. OR Skype Preview wan't part of the origina 10 install, but it came later. I wouldn't be surprised if it will come to you too. Maybe you can turn off automatic updates for Skype. Although other than losing the ability to call in for a mike and speaker test, it's not so bad now that I manage to find Light Mode. And I was wrong about Echo/Sound Test Service not working in XP. Maybe I clicked wrong because a touchpad instead of plugging in a mouse but it worked the next time I tried it on XP. And it works in win10 too -- it's in the list of numbers you have called -- But there is still a substantial problem with Skype Preview. Skype in XP has iirc the ability to test and set the level of the microphone without calling the Test Service. This is much faster and easier than calling the Test Service. and I've looked all over Preview one more time and it's not there. So they didnt' totally ruin it but they weakened it. How about uninstalling Skype Preview as shown he https://www.perfectcloud.org/fix-it/...in-windows-10/ Wow. Who would've thunk it? Thanks. and then installing full Skype as shown he https://www.skype.com/en/download-sk...-for-computer/ |
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