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Old September 18th 17, 03:51 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default Connecting a Kindle Fire

Does anyone know how to connect a Kindle Fire to Windows 8 using the
network and not a direct connection"


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Old September 18th 17, 06:13 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Connecting a Kindle Fire

Ken Springer wrote:
Does anyone know how to connect a Kindle Fire to Windows 8 using the
network and not a direct connection"



The Wifi recipe here, I think it assumes you have a Wifi router
and are not attempting an Adhoc connection. Adhoc is Wifi point to
point, whereas infrastructure assumes a router.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/help/custom...deId=201730020

https://www.howtogeek.com/180649/htg...tructure-mode/

https://www.howtogeek.com/178691/htg...-does-it-work/

Some of the Kindles use Android as their OS, and may share
features with it.

Paul


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Old September 18th 17, 03:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Big Al[_5_]
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Default Connecting a Kindle Fire

On 09/18/2017 01:13 AM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
Does anyone know how to connect a Kindle Fire to Windows 8 using the
network and not a direct connection"



The Wifi recipe here, I think it assumes you have a Wifi router
and are not attempting an Adhoc connection. Adhoc is Wifi point to
point, whereas infrastructure assumes a router.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/help/custom...deId=201730020


https://www.howtogeek.com/180649/htg...tructure-mode/



https://www.howtogeek.com/178691/htg...-does-it-work/


Some of the Kindles use Android as their OS, and may share
features with it.

** Paul


The OP didn't say these exact words but using a cable to connect (at
least on my old paper white) makes it look like an external HD on
Windows 8.

I'm reading between the lines, but I think the OP might have wanted to
know (or I would be interested in hearing) how you connect to the device
via the network. Can you use a browser to see 192.168.1.x, ftp to it,
telnet to it, or browse via explorer?


  #4  
Old September 18th 17, 04:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul[_32_]
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Default Connecting a Kindle Fire

Big Al wrote:
On 09/18/2017 01:13 AM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
Does anyone know how to connect a Kindle Fire to Windows 8 using the
network and not a direct connection"



The Wifi recipe here, I think it assumes you have a Wifi router
and are not attempting an Adhoc connection. Adhoc is Wifi point to
point, whereas infrastructure assumes a router.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/help/custom...deId=201730020


https://www.howtogeek.com/180649/htg...tructure-mode/



https://www.howtogeek.com/178691/htg...-does-it-work/


Some of the Kindles use Android as their OS, and may share
features with it.

Paul


The OP didn't say these exact words but using a cable to connect (at
least on my old paper white) makes it look like an external HD on
Windows 8.

I'm reading between the lines, but I think the OP might have wanted to
know (or I would be interested in hearing) how you connect to the device
via the network. Can you use a browser to see 192.168.1.x, ftp to it,
telnet to it, or browse via explorer?


My answer was for Wifi, such as it was.

The USB method might be easier. But you know
how computers are.

Modern computers tend not to support ftp and telnet out of the box.
They would likely want SSL (secure socket layer) or similar.
Modern Kindles are actually Android, and the "Linux way" is
not to offer unsecure, plaintext password, applications of that
nature. Only my MacOSX machine had "pushbutton ease" for those
options. One click, and away it went. Both ftpd and telnetd
were available, and used my account and password for authentication.
That to me, was the single biggest "convenience" feature on
the machine (if used wisely - switch off when not in use!).

And at least a couple web pages, recommended a specific file
browser for the purpose of working with Kindle, one with a "small fee",
which I considered to be a pretty iffy suggestion. Because then
it makes the web page seem like a shoddy advertisement, rather
than a help page. I would have preferred a technical description
of what protocols the damn thing supports, so not only
would you have a "payware" solution, you could also
"hand-hew" your own solution. That's what I consider
to be "help".

The USB side might need MTP, and on Win8, you should have
working MTP right out of the box. No screwing around like
in WinXP. Then it's a matter of what file systems are
exposed via "raw" MTP. There are even cases where
proprietary MTP packages are used, but I was never
able to get to the bottom of what was so special about
them. The idea of MTP, is once a vanilla driver is in
place, "it should just work". It should be as easy to
use, as getting pictures off your digital camera.

Paul

  #5  
Old September 19th 17, 05:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default Connecting a Kindle Fire

On 9/17/17 11:13 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
Does anyone know how to connect a Kindle Fire to Windows 8 using the
network and not a direct connection"



The Wifi recipe here, I think it assumes you have a Wifi router
and are not attempting an Adhoc connection. Adhoc is Wifi point to
point, whereas infrastructure assumes a router.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/help/custom...deId=201730020

https://www.howtogeek.com/180649/htg...tructure-mode/

https://www.howtogeek.com/178691/htg...-does-it-work/

Some of the Kindles use Android as their OS, and may share
features with it.


They have an Wi-Fi router, that is how she is connected to their printer
from her laptop.

Both of them have W8 laptops, and she needed/wanted to download a file
from his new Kindle to his laptop. She was trying to get Bluetooth to
work, but was frustrated with the slow speed.

He is not that computer literate, and has no patience with them.

I have been trying to get her to network everything they have to
simplify file transfer. The same as I've been trying to do with my
computers. (Which keeps breaking on the Windows end. To use a possible
Trumpism.... "So frustrating". LOL

I don't know if his Kindle is Android based or not.

At any rate, she finally got Bluetooth figured out, and just waited it out.

But I have passed those links on to her, maybe they will provide the
impetus to get her to use Wi Fi instead. Now, if I could just get her
to set her computer up to automatically back up her system, rather than
doing everything manually.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.11.6
Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit)
Thunderbird 52.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
  #6  
Old September 19th 17, 06:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default Connecting a Kindle Fire

On 9/18/17 8:47 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 09/18/2017 01:13 AM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
Does anyone know how to connect a Kindle Fire to Windows 8 using the
network and not a direct connection"



The Wifi recipe here, I think it assumes you have a Wifi router
and are not attempting an Adhoc connection. Adhoc is Wifi point to
point, whereas infrastructure assumes a router.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/help/custom...deId=201730020


https://www.howtogeek.com/180649/htg...tructure-mode/



https://www.howtogeek.com/178691/htg...-does-it-work/


Some of the Kindles use Android as their OS, and may share
features with it.

Paul


The OP didn't say these exact words but using a cable to connect (at
least on my old paper white) makes it look like an external HD on
Windows 8.


Hi, Big All

I found out about the cable doing some quick searching, but I don't
think they have a cable. The Nexus 7 does the same thing with a cable,
but that means you have to have both units side by side in order to do
the transfer. But, I might want sit in front of the TV and watch
something that is on and transfer files at the same time.

I'm reading between the lines, but I think the OP might have wanted to
know (or I would be interested in hearing) how you connect to the device
via the network. Can you use a browser to see 192.168.1.x, ftp to it,
telnet to it, or browse via explorer?


That's exactly where I would like her to go, but there's definitely
resistance to creating a true network. She now has a full time job, and
is really finding that her time is at a premium. That might make it a
little easier for me to get her to change her mind about how she does
some things.

I got so frustrated with finding my way around the Nexus 7 file system,
I downloaded and installed a Windows/File Explorer type file program,
and didn't have any more problems.

--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.11.6
Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit)
Thunderbird 52.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
  #7  
Old September 19th 17, 09:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul[_32_]
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Default Connecting a Kindle Fire

Ken Springer wrote:
On 9/17/17 11:13 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
Does anyone know how to connect a Kindle Fire to Windows 8 using the
network and not a direct connection"



The Wifi recipe here, I think it assumes you have a Wifi router
and are not attempting an Adhoc connection. Adhoc is Wifi point to
point, whereas infrastructure assumes a router.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/help/custom...deId=201730020


https://www.howtogeek.com/180649/htg...tructure-mode/



https://www.howtogeek.com/178691/htg...-does-it-work/


Some of the Kindles use Android as their OS, and may share
features with it.


They have an Wi-Fi router, that is how she is connected to their printer
from her laptop.

Both of them have W8 laptops, and she needed/wanted to download a file
from his new Kindle to his laptop. She was trying to get Bluetooth to
work, but was frustrated with the slow speed.

He is not that computer literate, and has no patience with them.

I have been trying to get her to network everything they have to
simplify file transfer. The same as I've been trying to do with my
computers. (Which keeps breaking on the Windows end. To use a possible
Trumpism.... "So frustrating". LOL

I don't know if his Kindle is Android based or not.

At any rate, she finally got Bluetooth figured out, and just waited it out.

But I have passed those links on to her, maybe they will provide the
impetus to get her to use Wi Fi instead. Now, if I could just get her
to set her computer up to automatically back up her system, rather than
doing everything manually.


One of the Bluetooth standards, actually uses the Wifi
for "parallel transfer" if available. However, I haven't
run into any people (yet) claiming to be transferring
files over that, faster than plain Bluetooth can manage.
The original Bluetooth might be sub 1MB/sec for some
of the profiles like audio.

Considering the amount of trouble I've had with Bluetooth
here, I think I'd sooner fight with Wifi :-) I know
in some cases "it just works (tm)", but not for me.

I think the Kindle started out, as a pretty custom device,
with special LCD panel (a kind of panel intended for book
reading, where the pixels may update slowly, but the
panel uses very little power). Eventually, the maker
decided the business model required too much engineering
and the idea was to use more conventional base (Android)
and hardware materials. (More like an Android-based
computer, running a Kindle application.) It's likely
the older designs would have run longer on battery.
The original panels might have been reflective, while
the current ones are backlit and transmissive. That
sort of difference.

from Wiki

"Amazon announced Kindle Fire, an Android-based tablet
that uses a fork of Android on September 28, 2011. It
was released for $199 and has a 7-inch IPS color
touchscreen display. This was the first Kindle without
an E Ink display. However unlike previously released Kindles,
it has no 3G option only Wi-Fi"

and that marks the transition to "bog-standard hardware
you can get anywhere". No more E-ink display, means you
could get any ODM that makes mobile devices to manufacture
them for you. The IPS in the above description, means
the viewing angle on the thing is 178 degrees. If you
move your head from side to side, there should be little
color shift (unlike with TN panels).

Paul
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Old September 20th 17, 01:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Big Al[_5_]
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Default Connecting a Kindle Fire

On 09/19/2017 01:06 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 9/18/17 8:47 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 09/18/2017 01:13 AM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
Does anyone know how to connect a Kindle Fire to Windows 8 using the
network and not a direct connection"



The Wifi recipe here, I think it assumes you have a Wifi router
and are not attempting an Adhoc connection. Adhoc is Wifi point to
point, whereas infrastructure assumes a router.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/help/custom...deId=201730020

https://www.howtogeek.com/180649/htg...tructure-mode/



https://www.howtogeek.com/178691/htg...-does-it-work/



Some of the Kindles use Android as their OS, and may share
features with it.

**** Paul


The OP didn't say these exact words but using a cable to connect (at
least on my old paper white) makes it look like an external HD on
Windows 8.


Hi, Big All

I found out about the cable doing some quick searching, but I don't
think they have a cable.* The Nexus 7 does the same thing with a cable,
but that means you have to have both units side by side in order to do
the transfer.* But, I might want sit in front of the TV and watch
something that is on and transfer files at the same time.

I'm reading between the lines, but I think the OP might have wanted to
know (or I would be interested in hearing) how you connect to the device
via the network.** Can you use a browser to see 192.168.1.x, ftp to it,
telnet to it, or browse via explorer?


That's exactly where I would like her to go, but there's definitely
resistance to creating a true network.* She now has a full time job, and
is really finding that her time is at a premium.* That might make it a
little easier for me to get her to change her mind about how she does
some things.

I got so frustrated with finding my way around the Nexus 7 file system,
I downloaded and installed a Windows/File Explorer type file program,
and didn't have any more problems.

I have a "File Explorer" on my Blu Life Play II Android 4.4.2.
The file explorer is part of the OS, I can't delete it, I can just stop
it, so it's not in the play store for you to download. But this has an
FTP icon at the bottom to make it a server.
Not sure what apps are in the Amazon store but if you could find a
similar app with the same little feature then you could simply load
Filezilla or such on the PCs and get things going that way.

It's a shot?! :-)

  #9  
Old September 22nd 17, 07:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default Connecting a Kindle Fire

On 9/20/17 6:35 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 09/19/2017 01:06 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 9/18/17 8:47 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 09/18/2017 01:13 AM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
Does anyone know how to connect a Kindle Fire to Windows 8 using the
network and not a direct connection"



The Wifi recipe here, I think it assumes you have a Wifi router
and are not attempting an Adhoc connection. Adhoc is Wifi point to
point, whereas infrastructure assumes a router.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/help/custom...deId=201730020

https://www.howtogeek.com/180649/htg...tructure-mode/



https://www.howtogeek.com/178691/htg...-does-it-work/



Some of the Kindles use Android as their OS, and may share
features with it.

Paul


The OP didn't say these exact words but using a cable to connect (at
least on my old paper white) makes it look like an external HD on
Windows 8.


Hi, Big All

I found out about the cable doing some quick searching, but I don't
think they have a cable. The Nexus 7 does the same thing with a cable,
but that means you have to have both units side by side in order to do
the transfer. But, I might want sit in front of the TV and watch
something that is on and transfer files at the same time.

I'm reading between the lines, but I think the OP might have wanted to
know (or I would be interested in hearing) how you connect to the device
via the network. Can you use a browser to see 192.168.1.x, ftp to it,
telnet to it, or browse via explorer?


That's exactly where I would like her to go, but there's definitely
resistance to creating a true network. She now has a full time job, and
is really finding that her time is at a premium. That might make it a
little easier for me to get her to change her mind about how she does
some things.

I got so frustrated with finding my way around the Nexus 7 file system,
I downloaded and installed a Windows/File Explorer type file program,
and didn't have any more problems.

I have a "File Explorer" on my Blu Life Play II Android 4.4.2.
The file explorer is part of the OS, I can't delete it, I can just stop
it, so it's not in the play store for you to download. But this has an
FTP icon at the bottom to make it a server.
Not sure what apps are in the Amazon store but if you could find a
similar app with the same little feature then you could simply load
Filezilla or such on the PCs and get things going that way.

It's a shot?! :-)


I had suggested she look for a "file explorer" in the Kindle Store (if
that's what they call it) but it was a no go idea.

But as I said, she finally got the job done via Bluetooth, and all is
right with the world again. LOL


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.11.6
Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit)
Thunderbird 52.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
 




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