Cool Web Search "Shredder" Update 03/12/03

I have gradually arrived at the conclusion that you have absolutely no idea
what you're talking about.
BTW, why are you posting to so many NGs?

I will try once more.

No, you can't blame Google. It is purely a search engine and just looks for
a word or words that match your query.
It's obvious you haven't spent much time meditating on this, or even
bothering to explore Google's options.

If you had, and clicked on Advanced Search, you would have seen a little box
that says "Filter using Safe Search." Did you check that box?
Obviously not, as that eliminates most porn links. Aw, gee, now I've made
you look stupid.

You also said you used Popup Stopper. Did I say that? No. I said Popup
Stopper Pro (which resides on IE Taskbar, complete with over-riding
options). Try reading thoroughly next time before you reply.
I'm glad to see you weren't impressed, but curious as to why you didn't
bother to expand on which aspects didn't impress you.
Oh, I forgot. You haven't bothered to try Popup Stopper Pro.

And once again, read before replying & don't try to put words in my mouth.
If you bother to read again, you will note that I didn't say anything about
INTENTIONALLY downloading in order to become infected.
I did say "you would HAVE HAD TO click on SOMETHING to cause it to download.
And that's not an opinion - that's a FACT.

--
John

John:
Possibly you need to read my message again. I simply asked Google to
find tutorials for Windows XP. I know exactly what happened after that.
You're saying that Google cannot be blamed , because I should have
specified that I did not want any viruses, any Trojan Horses , or any
Home page Hijackers included . I see.
Lets say I did specify that. Would Google then be to blame ?
Couldn't really follow your rant because it was mixed in with
Hillbillies and mine. But, I have used Popup Stopper, for a short time
and was not impressed. The cure was worse than the disease.
To clear up one thing-- at the time I became so infected I was not
using as many prevention tools as now.
Concerning what you want to call " my logic " exactly what was the
point you were trying to make ? Possibly that you too hold the opinion
that a virus must be intentionally downloaded in order to become
infected ?
Your statement that " Google has no problem" . Would you care to revise
that ? Oh, I forgot. Google bears no responsibility for providing . It
must then be totally the fault of anyone taking their advice. I
suppose you use that same logic when you give advice.
Reminds me of a credit checking bureau that defamed me. They also took
no responsibility for their report, even though the report had numerous
errors and even a blind man could see that I was not the individual in
question. Only the names were the same, nothing else.
My lawyer convinced them that they did have legal responsibility and I
had legal recourse .The report was quickly revised.
Must be a full moon tonight.

MAD MAX
"john" wrote in message
...
HillBillly:
Stick this in your corncob pipe and smoke it. Do not judge , lest ye
be judged. Like so many claiming to be what your handle claims, you
are narrow minded , judgmental and about as far as one that claims to
be a Christian ,can be. Don't flaunt it if you aint got it.
For your uninformed information --I did nothing to bring those
problems upon myself. You simply have a canned answer for what ever
you are too uninformed to understand.


I went to Google looking for a tutorial on my new XP machine. After
locating several likely sites on Google that claimed to be tutorials ,
I was taken to a porno site. Trying to work my way out only resulted
in my being taken to one porno site after another. I did not download
anything , did not click on anything and did not moon the hillbillies.
Get your facts straight before you start making wild accusations . I
would
also note that this is not the first time I have witnessed you do just
that to numerous others. And by the way , you can climb off me just as
you climbed on. Either that , or you know what you can kiss.
I understand the problem that Google has, its the same as we all have
,
and there is little or nothing we can do about it, for now.

Rubbish! Google has no problem, it's the link Google found based on
YOUR search criterea and which you elected to access.
Install Pop-up Stopper Pro, then you won't get into the endless loop of
multiplying porn pages - simply shut the first one down.

"wild accusations, unfounded condemnations and uninformed rhetoric"
applies more to your form of 'logic'

john

That said, your wild accusations, unfounded condemnations and
uninformed rhetoric do not help anyone. If indeed that is why you so
often offer useless advice.

MAD MAX

"HillBillyBuddhist" wrote in
message ...
"Mad Max" wrote in message
...
"john":
No wonder you need CW Shredder, you've been to Google.
My last visit to Google netted me two viruses , a Trojan Horse and a
Homepage Hijacker, not to mention assorted adware crapola.

For the record visiting Google did not infect your or anyone else's
computers. Foolish and unsafe computing practices following a visit
to Google may well have. The result and ramifications of such
practices lie solely on the head of the user and have nothing
whatsoever to do with having visited Google.

--
D

I'm not an MVP a VIP nor do I have ESP.
I was just trying to help.
Please use your own best judgment before implementing any suggestions
or advice herein.
No warranty is expressed or implied.
Your mileage may vary.
See store for details.

Remove shoes to E-mail.

heirloom:
You must be wrong. You cannot possibly know what you are talking about . You
should immediately give your PC to someone who knows how to use it. You are
using unsafe practices. You must be a total and complete liar. Liar! Liar!
Liar! Google is perfect . You speak blasphemy, You heretic. Did I miss
anything ?
Oh yeah, Poo on you.
Sorry about the rant, but I couldn't resist, since it seems to be the
generally held opinion that I am a liar, because what I said could not
possibly have occurred as I claim.
A warning ! You have placed yourself on the side of the heretic and will
suffer the wrath of the true believers. Google is God.

Mad Max




"heirloom" wrote in message
...
Well, this was a fun thread......here's my unsolicited 2 cents:
Google is the best search engine available and not responsible for any
virus
or trojan. Virtually any search criteria will result in an abundance of
'hits.' An "XP Tutorial" could mask anything the author intends. I do
agree that merely going to a site can download things to your machine that
you do not "click on" or want. Case in point, I got Comet Cursor by going
to a site on hypothyroidism....so it can happen. BUT, this was long ago
and
I have since learned that there are ways to avoid this sort of thing, i.e.
adware/spyware/crapware blockers, proper use of a WRITE PROTECTED Hosts
file, antivirus program(s), etc.
Before you click on a site listed in the results of a Google search, hover
your pointer over the link and take a look at the http:// at the bottom of
your screen. You may (or may not) be surprised to see that there may be
something different from your intended goal.....
Oh yeah, Microsoft doesn't send out emails announcing updates or critical
fixes and the last time I checked.....there is a tutorial on XP that comes
with the OS and a dandy Help feature. g
Heirloom, old and likes Google

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Since you appear to have problems when using your PC why not donate it
to
someone who knows how to use it.

FACT you did not get CoolWebSearch or any other parasite or virus by
accessing
Google. Grow up and just accept the fact that you are wrong and don't
have a
clue what you're talking about.
--
Mike Maltby



Mad Max wrote:

Rubbish indeed !
That is exactly where and when my machine was infected with "cool web
search" and everything else I mentioned. And NO, I did not download
anything , agree to anything ,or sign my name.
Hello People , Get a grip. I'm not blaming Google. Period ! End of
Argument. Anyone would think you people own stock in google the way
you
defend it . It is a tool , nothing more. Not a religion!

Sorry MadMax, but, you have done it now.......you have chosen to spar with
one of the gurus. Mr. Maltby may not be in 'first place' when it comes to
dispensing factual information, but, he is way ahead of whatever is in
second. What he offered was, in fact, FACT. You did not get CWS, a
parasite or virus by accessing Google....that took place when you stepped
outside of the domain.
Mike does not need defending....his reputation in the NG speaks for itself,
however, I felt obligated to comment based on the many times that he has
helped me.....not to mention countless others....with timely and FACTUAL
information. I don't doubt that you contracted some nasties and I don't
doubt that Google was your first step toward that end, but, you can't blame
Google for what happens when you leave......that would be tantamount to
blaming the "Dewey Dismal" system for checking out a bad book from the
library.
Heirloom, old and going to bed now

"Mad Max" wrote in message
...
Well Mike:
Since you had a suggestion about what I should do with my PC, I feel
obligated to tell you what you can do with yours. By the way your "facts"
are not supported by facts.


"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Since you appear to have problems when using your PC why not donate it
to
someone who knows how to use it.

FACT you did not get CoolWebSearch or any other parasite or virus by
accessing
Google. Grow up and just accept the fact that you are wrong and don't
have a
clue what you're talking about.
--
Mike Maltby



Mad Max wrote:

Rubbish indeed !
That is exactly where and when my machine was infected with "cool web
search" and everything else I mentioned. And NO, I did not download
anything , agree to anything ,or sign my name.
Hello People , Get a grip. I'm not blaming Google. Period ! End of
Argument. Anyone would think you people own stock in google the way
you
defend it . It is a tool , nothing more. Not a religion!

Google is a search engine. Do you know how many hundreds of millions if
not billions of pages and web sites are on the internet? Are you saying
that Google should check all of these sites to make sure that none are
malicious? Do you know how search engines work? What you're saying is
like blaming Rand McNally because you took a road and got lost or you
got a flat on a piece of glass. What you're trying to say makes no
sense, it's regrettable that you got a virus or other bad things but it
has nothing to do with google. Use any search engine and you'll get the
same kind of good and bad stuff (hits) that Google gives you. Google
shows you what if finds based on your query, what you do with it is your
responsibility. If you can't use Google you better stay clear of
astalavista, you'll end up so far deep in the warez jungle it'll take
you ten years to come back out.

John


Mad Max wrote:
John:
Possibly you need to read my message again. I simply asked Google to find
tutorials for Windows XP. I know exactly what happened after that. You're
saying that Google cannot be blamed , because I should have specified that I
did not want any viruses, any Trojan Horses , or any Home page Hijackers
included . I see.
Lets say I did specify that. Would Google then be to blame ?
Couldn't really follow your rant because it was mixed in with Hillbillies
and mine. But, I have used Popup Stopper, for a short time and was not
impressed. The cure was worse than the disease.
To clear up one thing-- at the time I became so infected I was not using as
many prevention tools as now.
Concerning what you want to call " my logic " exactly what was the point you
were trying to make ? Possibly that you too hold the opinion that a virus
must be intentionally downloaded in order to become infected ?
Your statement that " Google has no problem" . Would you care to revise that
? Oh, I forgot. Google bears no responsibility for providing . It must then
be totally the fault of anyone taking their advice. I suppose you use that
same logic when you give advice.
Reminds me of a credit checking bureau that defamed me. They also took no
responsibility for their report, even though the report had numerous errors
and even a blind man could see that I was not the individual in question.
Only the names were the same, nothing else.
My lawyer convinced them that they did have legal responsibility and I had
legal recourse .The report was quickly revised.
Must be a full moon tonight.

MAD MAX
"john" wrote in message
...

HillBillly:
Stick this in your corncob pipe and smoke it. Do not judge , lest ye be
judged. Like so many claiming to be what your handle claims, you are
narrow minded , judgmental and about as far as one that claims to be a
Christian ,can be. Don't flaunt it if you aint got it.
For your uninformed information --I did nothing to bring those problems
upon myself. You simply have a canned answer for what ever you are too
uninformed to understand.


I went to Google looking for a tutorial on my new XP machine. After

locating several likely sites on Google that claimed to be tutorials , I

was

taken to a porno site. Trying to work my way out only resulted in my being
taken to one porno site after another. I did not download anything , did

not

click on anything and did not moon the hillbillies.

Get your facts straight before you start making wild accusations . I

would

also note that this is not the first time I have witnessed you do just

that

to numerous others. And by the way , you can climb off me just as you
climbed on. Either that , or you know what you can kiss.

I understand the problem that Google has, its the same as we all have ,

and there is little or nothing we can do about it, for now.

Rubbish! Google has no problem, it's the link Google found based on YOUR
search criterea and which you elected to access.
Install Pop-up Stopper Pro, then you won't get into the endless loop of
multiplying porn pages - simply shut the first one down.

"wild accusations, unfounded condemnations and uninformed rhetoric"

applies

more to your form of 'logic'

john


That said, your wild accusations, unfounded condemnations and uninformed
rhetoric do not help anyone. If indeed that is why you so often offer
useless advice.

MAD MAX

"HillBillyBuddhist" wrote in
message ...

"Mad Max" wrote in message
.. .

"john":
No wonder you need CW Shredder, you've been to Google.
My last visit to Google netted me two viruses , a Trojan Horse and a
Homepage Hijacker, not to mention assorted adware crapola.

For the record visiting Google did not infect your or anyone else's
computers. Foolish and unsafe computing practices following a visit to
Google may well have. The result and ramifications of such practices
lie solely on the head of the user and have nothing whatsoever to do
with having visited Google.

--
D

I'm not an MVP a VIP nor do I have ESP.
I was just trying to help.
Please use your own best judgment before implementing any suggestions
or advice herein.
No warranty is expressed or implied.
Your mileage may vary.
See store for details.

Remove shoes to E-mail.

heirloom wrote:

and the last time I checked.....there is a tutorial on XP that comes
with the OS and a dandy Help feature.

And if one needs more and they are paranoid about Google they can just
go to microsoft directly and there are pages and pages of information.

John

"give my PC to someone who knows how to use it???" Odd, as I recall from
prior posts, 'tis you with the problem, mine has been working just dandy for
years.
No, Google is not perfect, but, it is the best for its' intended purpose.
You really should get a good dictionary.....some of your terms do not apply,
i.e. there is no 'blasphemy' in my post and I am not a 'heretic and I never
called you a liar, in fact, I agreed with some of your statements.
I have had my say and you, yours. Further instigation on your part will be
ignored.
I wish you well in your endeavors to find an XP tutorial, even though one
resides on your computer, you probably won't find one in an MeOS NG. duh.
Heirloom, old and have an Me tutorial, if you
need it

"Mad Max" wrote in message
...
heirloom:
You must be wrong. You cannot possibly know what you are talking about .
You
should immediately give your PC to someone who knows how to use it. You
are
using unsafe practices. You must be a total and complete liar. Liar! Liar!
Liar! Google is perfect . You speak blasphemy, You heretic. Did I miss
anything ?
Oh yeah, Poo on you.
Sorry about the rant, but I couldn't resist, since it seems to be the
generally held opinion that I am a liar, because what I said could not
possibly have occurred as I claim.
A warning ! You have placed yourself on the side of the heretic and will
suffer the wrath of the true believers. Google is God.

Mad Max




"heirloom" wrote in message
...
Well, this was a fun thread......here's my unsolicited 2 cents:
Google is the best search engine available and not responsible for any
virus
or trojan. Virtually any search criteria will result in an abundance of
'hits.' An "XP Tutorial" could mask anything the author intends. I do
agree that merely going to a site can download things to your machine
that
you do not "click on" or want. Case in point, I got Comet Cursor by
going
to a site on hypothyroidism....so it can happen. BUT, this was long ago
and
I have since learned that there are ways to avoid this sort of thing,
i.e.
adware/spyware/crapware blockers, proper use of a WRITE PROTECTED Hosts
file, antivirus program(s), etc.
Before you click on a site listed in the results of a Google search,
hover
your pointer over the link and take a look at the http:// at the bottom
of
your screen. You may (or may not) be surprised to see that there may be
something different from your intended goal.....
Oh yeah, Microsoft doesn't send out emails announcing updates or
critical
fixes and the last time I checked.....there is a tutorial on XP that
comes
with the OS and a dandy Help feature. g
Heirloom, old and likes Google

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Since you appear to have problems when using your PC why not donate it
to
someone who knows how to use it.

FACT you did not get CoolWebSearch or any other parasite or virus by
accessing
Google. Grow up and just accept the fact that you are wrong and don't
have a
clue what you're talking about.
--
Mike Maltby



Mad Max wrote:

Rubbish indeed !
That is exactly where and when my machine was infected with "cool
web
search" and everything else I mentioned. And NO, I did not download
anything , agree to anything ,or sign my name.
Hello People , Get a grip. I'm not blaming Google. Period ! End of
Argument. Anyone would think you people own stock in google the way
you
defend it . It is a tool , nothing more. Not a religion!

Mad Max wrote:

My entire point was that I was infected with numerous things after selecting
a place that Google recommended.

Google doesn't recommend anything, that's what you can't understand.
Google just tells you what it found. It's like panning for gold, don't
blame the pan manufacturer and the river if you end up with fool's gold.

John

Dear john:

You have not made me look stupid. Instead it is you that is stupid.
I am simply ignorant. I do not know everything , as you obviously do. I have
a lot to learn, as you obviously do not have anything to learn. It must be
wonderful to be so perfect.
Why am I posting to so many NGs ? I beg your forgiveness, I did not know
your permission is required to post anywhere, any time I please. I will make
a note of that and refer to it from time to time.
I suppose you are correct , I did click on things. I tried to X my way out
of them all. I used ctl/alt/del. and I admit , if you will allow, that I did
pull the plug out of the wall.
You are correct I have not used Popup Stopper Pro. I also do not buy several
hundred/thousand other things that you most likely have. Should I start
buying immediately ? Why don't you send me a list of everything I just must
have ,in order to comply with your instructions. I will put that list beside
the note with your permission to post on the places you consider me worthy
to do so.
A question comes to mind. Why would you waste your time bantering with
someone you obviously consider to be mentally inferior to yourself ? Or
maybe you are not as smart as you perceive yourself to be. Dare I say that
is a FACT !

"john" wrote in message
...
I have gradually arrived at the conclusion that you have absolutely no
idea
what you're talking about.
BTW, why are you posting to so many NGs?

I will try once more.

No, you can't blame Google. It is purely a search engine and just looks
for
a word or words that match your query.
It's obvious you haven't spent much time meditating on this, or even
bothering to explore Google's options.

If you had, and clicked on Advanced Search, you would have seen a little
box
that says "Filter using Safe Search." Did you check that box?
Obviously not, as that eliminates most porn links. Aw, gee, now I've made
you look stupid.

You also said you used Popup Stopper. Did I say that? No. I said Popup
Stopper Pro (which resides on IE Taskbar, complete with over-riding
options). Try reading thoroughly next time before you reply.
I'm glad to see you weren't impressed, but curious as to why you didn't
bother to expand on which aspects didn't impress you.
Oh, I forgot. You haven't bothered to try Popup Stopper Pro.

And once again, read before replying & don't try to put words in my mouth.
If you bother to read again, you will note that I didn't say anything
about
INTENTIONALLY downloading in order to become infected.
I did say "you would HAVE HAD TO click on SOMETHING to cause it to
download.
And that's not an opinion - that's a FACT.

--
John

John:
Possibly you need to read my message again. I simply asked Google to
find tutorials for Windows XP. I know exactly what happened after that.
You're saying that Google cannot be blamed , because I should have
specified that I did not want any viruses, any Trojan Horses , or any
Home page Hijackers included . I see.
Lets say I did specify that. Would Google then be to blame ?
Couldn't really follow your rant because it was mixed in with
Hillbillies and mine. But, I have used Popup Stopper, for a short time
and was not impressed. The cure was worse than the disease.
To clear up one thing-- at the time I became so infected I was not
using as many prevention tools as now.
Concerning what you want to call " my logic " exactly what was the
point you were trying to make ? Possibly that you too hold the opinion
that a virus must be intentionally downloaded in order to become
infected ?
Your statement that " Google has no problem" . Would you care to revise
that ? Oh, I forgot. Google bears no responsibility for providing . It
must then be totally the fault of anyone taking their advice. I
suppose you use that same logic when you give advice.
Reminds me of a credit checking bureau that defamed me. They also took
no responsibility for their report, even though the report had numerous
errors and even a blind man could see that I was not the individual in
question. Only the names were the same, nothing else.
My lawyer convinced them that they did have legal responsibility and I
had legal recourse .The report was quickly revised.
Must be a full moon tonight.

MAD MAX
"john" wrote in message
...
HillBillly:
Stick this in your corncob pipe and smoke it. Do not judge , lest ye
be judged. Like so many claiming to be what your handle claims, you
are narrow minded , judgmental and about as far as one that claims to
be a Christian ,can be. Don't flaunt it if you aint got it.
For your uninformed information --I did nothing to bring those
problems upon myself. You simply have a canned answer for what ever
you are too uninformed to understand.


I went to Google looking for a tutorial on my new XP machine. After
locating several likely sites on Google that claimed to be tutorials ,
I was taken to a porno site. Trying to work my way out only resulted
in my being taken to one porno site after another. I did not download
anything , did not click on anything and did not moon the hillbillies.
Get your facts straight before you start making wild accusations . I
would
also note that this is not the first time I have witnessed you do just
that to numerous others. And by the way , you can climb off me just as
you climbed on. Either that , or you know what you can kiss.
I understand the problem that Google has, its the same as we all have
,
and there is little or nothing we can do about it, for now.

Rubbish! Google has no problem, it's the link Google found based on
YOUR search criterea and which you elected to access.
Install Pop-up Stopper Pro, then you won't get into the endless loop of
multiplying porn pages - simply shut the first one down.

"wild accusations, unfounded condemnations and uninformed rhetoric"
applies more to your form of 'logic'

john

That said, your wild accusations, unfounded condemnations and
uninformed rhetoric do not help anyone. If indeed that is why you so
often offer useless advice.

MAD MAX

"HillBillyBuddhist" wrote in
message ...
"Mad Max" wrote in message
...
"john":
No wonder you need CW Shredder, you've been to Google.
My last visit to Google netted me two viruses , a Trojan Horse and a
Homepage Hijacker, not to mention assorted adware crapola.

For the record visiting Google did not infect your or anyone else's
computers. Foolish and unsafe computing practices following a visit
to Google may well have. The result and ramifications of such
practices lie solely on the head of the user and have nothing
whatsoever to do with having visited Google.

--
D

I'm not an MVP a VIP nor do I have ESP.
I was just trying to help.
Please use your own best judgment before implementing any suggestions
or advice herein.
No warranty is expressed or implied.
Your mileage may vary.
See store for details.

Remove shoes to E-mail.

heirloom:
Sorry you misunderstood me. Apparently you have not seen some of the other
posts. What I said to you was in jest. I was simply making light of what
others in this string have said or implied about me. My comments were in no
way meant for you . It was simply a joke, Okay ? And not a joke at your
expense. I hope you understand that. I've insulted enough people on purpose
here tonight and now someone I did not intend to. That's the way it goes .
When the bolder starts rolling downhill it is hard to stop.
Mad Max



"heirloom" wrote in message
...
"give my PC to someone who knows how to use it???" Odd, as I recall from
prior posts, 'tis you with the problem, mine has been working just dandy
for
years.
No, Google is not perfect, but, it is the best for its' intended purpose.
You really should get a good dictionary.....some of your terms do not
apply,
i.e. there is no 'blasphemy' in my post and I am not a 'heretic and I
never
called you a liar, in fact, I agreed with some of your statements.
I have had my say and you, yours. Further instigation on your part will
be
ignored.
I wish you well in your endeavors to find an XP tutorial, even though one
resides on your computer, you probably won't find one in an MeOS NG. duh.
Heirloom, old and have an Me tutorial, if you
need it

"Mad Max" wrote in message
...
heirloom:
You must be wrong. You cannot possibly know what you are talking about .
You
should immediately give your PC to someone who knows how to use it. You
are
using unsafe practices. You must be a total and complete liar. Liar!
Liar!
Liar! Google is perfect . You speak blasphemy, You heretic. Did I miss
anything ?
Oh yeah, Poo on you.
Sorry about the rant, but I couldn't resist, since it seems to be the
generally held opinion that I am a liar, because what I said could not
possibly have occurred as I claim.
A warning ! You have placed yourself on the side of the heretic and will
suffer the wrath of the true believers. Google is God.

Mad Max




"heirloom" wrote in message
...
Well, this was a fun thread......here's my unsolicited 2 cents:
Google is the best search engine available and not responsible for any
virus
or trojan. Virtually any search criteria will result in an abundance
of
'hits.' An "XP Tutorial" could mask anything the author intends. I
do
agree that merely going to a site can download things to your machine
that
you do not "click on" or want. Case in point, I got Comet Cursor by
going
to a site on hypothyroidism....so it can happen. BUT, this was long
ago
and
I have since learned that there are ways to avoid this sort of thing,
i.e.
adware/spyware/crapware blockers, proper use of a WRITE PROTECTED
Hosts
file, antivirus program(s), etc.
Before you click on a site listed in the results of a Google search,
hover
your pointer over the link and take a look at the http:// at the
bottom
of
your screen. You may (or may not) be surprised to see that there may
be
something different from your intended goal.....
Oh yeah, Microsoft doesn't send out emails announcing updates or
critical
fixes and the last time I checked.....there is a tutorial on XP that
comes
with the OS and a dandy Help feature. g
Heirloom, old and likes Google

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Since you appear to have problems when using your PC why not donate
it
to
someone who knows how to use it.

FACT you did not get CoolWebSearch or any other parasite or virus by
accessing
Google. Grow up and just accept the fact that you are wrong and
don't
have a
clue what you're talking about.
--
Mike Maltby



Mad Max wrote:

Rubbish indeed !
That is exactly where and when my machine was infected with "cool
web
search" and everything else I mentioned. And NO, I did not
download
anything , agree to anything ,or sign my name.
Hello People , Get a grip. I'm not blaming Google. Period ! End of
Argument. Anyone would think you people own stock in google the
way
you
defend it . It is a tool , nothing more. Not a religion!

heirloom:
Hope you are still there , and have read my most recent post to you
explaining my comments to you .
I am sorry, but however I got to where I contracted the Viruses etc. I was
sent there by Google. That is an undeniable fact and I do not care who
disagrees . It was not my intention to start this mess , but now that it is
here, I remain unrepentant in my insistence that Google was the entity who
sent me blindly into a hornets nest.
Yes, sent by google and I would not have gone there on my own.
I am sure that " Mr. Maltby " is worlds ahead of me in his knowledge
concerning computers. And I mean no disrespect to him, however, possibly it
is a matter of semantics. I say potato and he says potato. The facts are as
I stated. Google advised me to go there.
Apparently, in the eyes of some that makes me at fault. If that is the way
you see it , fine. I do not choose to accept that rendition of the truth,
or of the facts.

"heirloom" wrote in message
...
Sorry MadMax, but, you have done it now.......you have chosen to spar with
one of the gurus. Mr. Maltby may not be in 'first place' when it comes to
dispensing factual information, but, he is way ahead of whatever is in
second. What he offered was, in fact, FACT. You did not get CWS, a
parasite or virus by accessing Google....that took place when you stepped
outside of the domain.
Mike does not need defending....his reputation in the NG speaks for
itself,
however, I felt obligated to comment based on the many times that he has
helped me.....not to mention countless others....with timely and FACTUAL
information. I don't doubt that you contracted some nasties and I don't
doubt that Google was your first step toward that end, but, you can't
blame
Google for what happens when you leave......that would be tantamount to
blaming the "Dewey Dismal" system for checking out a bad book from the
library.
Heirloom, old and going to bed now

"Mad Max" wrote in message
...
Well Mike:
Since you had a suggestion about what I should do with my PC, I feel
obligated to tell you what you can do with yours. By the way your
"facts"
are not supported by facts.


"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Since you appear to have problems when using your PC why not donate it
to
someone who knows how to use it.

FACT you did not get CoolWebSearch or any other parasite or virus by
accessing
Google. Grow up and just accept the fact that you are wrong and don't
have a
clue what you're talking about.
--
Mike Maltby



Mad Max wrote:

Rubbish indeed !
That is exactly where and when my machine was infected with "cool
web
search" and everything else I mentioned. And NO, I did not download
anything , agree to anything ,or sign my name.
Hello People , Get a grip. I'm not blaming Google. Period ! End of
Argument. Anyone would think you people own stock in google the way
you
defend it . It is a tool , nothing more. Not a religion!

Hi Mad Max - While I strongly suspect that you're trolling now, (even if it
didn't start that way), I'll take one shot (only) at trying to provide some
useful information which might help prevent this from occuring in the
futu

If you want to take steps to defend your machine, there are a number of
things which need to be considered. I would suggest the following:

The minimum necessary to start with are a good hardware or software firewall
and an AV.

For the general hijack case, the best way to start is to get Ad-Aware 6.0,
Build 181 or later, he http://www.lavasoftusa.com/support/download/.
Update and run this regularly to get rid of most "spyware/hijackware" on
your machine. If it has to fix things, be sure to re-boot and rerun
AdAware again and repeat this cycle until you get a clean scan. The reason
is that it may have to remove things which are currently "in use" before it
can then clean up others.

Another excellent program for this purpose is SpyBot Search and Destroy
available he http://security.kolla.de/ SpyBot Support Forum he
http://www.net-integration.net/cgi-b...ikonboard.cgi. I recommend
using both normally. After fixing things with SpyBot S&D, be sure to
re-boot and rerun SpyBot again and repeat this cycle until you get a clean
"no red" scan. The reason is that SpyBot sometimes has to remove things
which are currently "in use" before it can then clean up others.


Note that sometimes you need to make a judgement call about what these
programs report as spyware. See here, for example:
http://www.imilly.com/alexa.htm


Next, courtesy of Mike Burgess:

"--Recommended Minimum Security Settings--

Close all instances of IE and OE
Control Panel | Internet Options

Click on the "Security" tab
Highlight the "Internet" icon, click "Custom Level"

1) "Download signed ActiveX scripts" = Prompt
2) "Download unsigned ActiveX scripts = Disable
3) "Initialize and script ActiveX not marked as safe" = Disable
4) "Installation of Desktop items" = Prompt
5) "Launching programs and files in a IFRAME" = Prompt

Click on the "Content" tab
Click the "Publishers" button

Highlight and click "Remove" any unknowns, click Ok

Click on the "Advanced" tab
Uncheck: "Install on demand (other)", click Apply\Ok

Prevent your "HomePage" setting from being Hijacked
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/ietips.htm
_____________________________
Mike Burgess
Information isn't free if you can't find it!
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/"


Note the Publisher setting - this vector is often overlooked.


Then, from me:

You might want to consider installing the SpywareBlaster and SpywareGuard
here to help prevent this kind of thing from happening in the futu
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/spywareblaster.html (Prevents malware Active
X installs) (BTW, SpyWare Blaster is not memory resident ... no CPU or
memory load - but keep it updated) The latest version as of this writing
will prevent installation or prevent the malware from running (887 parasites
as of this date) if it is already installed, and it provides information and
fixit-links for a variety of parasites.
http://www.wilderssecurity.net/spywareguard.html (Monitors for attempts
to install malware) Both Very Highly Recommended.


Next, install and keep updated a good HOSTS file. It can help you avoid
most adware/malware. See he http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
(Be sure it's named/renamed HOSTS - all caps, no extension)


Lastly, with regards to cookies: Courtesy of Mel's Spyware Tools, he
http://homepage.cooketech.net/~cybermel/Mel's%20Spyware%20Tools%20and%20Ad%20Blockers.html

XML-Menu for IE6 - (http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~ehowes/main.htm, click on IE6
Tools on website) "This package contains a full menu of custom Import XML
files that can be used to manipulate IE6's handling of cookies in the
Internet and Trusted zones (the Privacy tab controls only the Internet
zone). The files are divided into three sets: one "short list" of
recommended files, and two "advanced" lists containing a wide range of
possible Privacy configurations. The ReadMe covers the basics of using
custom XML Import files and details all the files that are available. A
..REG file that can be used to restore the default Privacy tab settings is
included."

This is the technique that I use and, while I do sometimes have to override
on some sites that don't have a Privacy Policy in place, I've found it
almost infallible in stopping bad cookies (I use 1-e, BTW) FWIW, Eric
Howes site, above, is one of the very best on the net with regard to
anything having to do with security. Highly Recommended.

See if any of this helps


--
Please respond in the same thread.
Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP

John John:
Don't blame the tire manufacturer if the tread separates and the wreck that
ensues. Don't blame the SUV manufacturer if their vehicle is unstable. I
think I'm beginning to understand your way of thinking. It's not what you
say , but what you don't say. Right?



"John John" wrote in message
...
Mad Max wrote:

My entire point was that I was infected with numerous things after
selecting
a place that Google recommended.

Google doesn't recommend anything, that's what you can't understand.
Google just tells you what it found. It's like panning for gold, don't
blame the pan manufacturer and the river if you end up with fool's gold.

John

Save your breath, Jim, either he's a troll, or just a plain useless 'luser.
I tried to personally email him something which would have resolved all his
problems, but even after "un-munging" his address, the mail bounced.
His loss, not mine.
I'm not in the habit of talking to brick walls, so am giving up. I suggest
others may contemplate doing the same.

--
John

Hi Mad Max - While I strongly suspect that you're trolling now, (even
if it
didn't start that way), I'll take one shot (only) at trying to provide
some
useful information which might help prevent this from occuring in the
futu

If you want to take steps to defend your machine, there are a number of
things which need to be considered. I would suggest the following:

The minimum necessary to start with are a good hardware or software
firewall
and an AV.

For the general hijack case, the best way to start is to get Ad-Aware
6.0,
Build 181 or later, he
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/support/download/.
Update and run this regularly to get rid of most "spyware/hijackware" on
your machine. If it has to fix things, be sure to re-boot and rerun
AdAware again and repeat this cycle until you get a clean scan. The
reason
is that it may have to remove things which are currently "in use"
before it
can then clean up others.

Another excellent program for this purpose is SpyBot Search and Destroy
available he http://security.kolla.de/ SpyBot Support Forum he
http://www.net-integration.net/cgi-b...ikonboard.cgi. I
recommend
using both normally. After fixing things with SpyBot S&D, be sure to
re-boot and rerun SpyBot again and repeat this cycle until you get a
clean "no red" scan. The reason is that SpyBot sometimes has to remove
things
which are currently "in use" before it can then clean up others.


Note that sometimes you need to make a judgement call about what these
programs report as spyware. See here, for example:
http://www.imilly.com/alexa.htm


Next, courtesy of Mike Burgess:

"--Recommended Minimum Security Settings--

Close all instances of IE and OE
Control Panel | Internet Options

Click on the "Security" tab
Highlight the "Internet" icon, click "Custom Level"

1) "Download signed ActiveX scripts" = Prompt
2) "Download unsigned ActiveX scripts = Disable
3) "Initialize and script ActiveX not marked as safe" = Disable
4) "Installation of Desktop items" = Prompt
5) "Launching programs and files in a IFRAME" = Prompt

Click on the "Content" tab
Click the "Publishers" button

Highlight and click "Remove" any unknowns, click Ok

Click on the "Advanced" tab
Uncheck: "Install on demand (other)", click Apply\Ok

Prevent your "HomePage" setting from being Hijacked
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/ietips.htm
_____________________________
Mike Burgess
Information isn't free if you can't find it!
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/"


Note the Publisher setting - this vector is often overlooked.


Then, from me:

You might want to consider installing the SpywareBlaster and
SpywareGuard
here to help prevent this kind of thing from happening in the futu
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/spywareblaster.html (Prevents malware
Active
X installs) (BTW, SpyWare Blaster is not memory resident ... no CPU or
memory load - but keep it updated) The latest version as of this
writing
will prevent installation or prevent the malware from running (887
parasites
as of this date) if it is already installed, and it provides
information and
fixit-links for a variety of parasites.
http://www.wilderssecurity.net/spywareguard.html (Monitors for attempts
to install malware) Both Very Highly Recommended.


Next, install and keep updated a good HOSTS file. It can help you avoid
most adware/malware. See he
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm (Be sure it's named/renamed
HOSTS - all caps, no extension)


Lastly, with regards to cookies: Courtesy of Mel's Spyware Tools, he

http://homepage.cooketech.net/~cybermel/Mel's%20Spyware%20Tools%20and%20Ad%20Blockers.html

XML-Menu for IE6 - (http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~ehowes/main.htm, click
on IE6
Tools on website) "This package contains a full menu of custom Import
XML
files that can be used to manipulate IE6's handling of cookies in the
Internet and Trusted zones (the Privacy tab controls only the Internet
zone). The files are divided into three sets: one "short list" of
recommended files, and two "advanced" lists containing a wide range of
possible Privacy configurations. The ReadMe covers the basics of using
custom XML Import files and details all the files that are available. A
.REG file that can be used to restore the default Privacy tab settings
is
included."

This is the technique that I use and, while I do sometimes have to
override
on some sites that don't have a Privacy Policy in place, I've found it
almost infallible in stopping bad cookies (I use 1-e, BTW) FWIW, Eric
Howes site, above, is one of the very best on the net with regard to
anything having to do with security. Highly Recommended.

See if any of this helps


--
Please respond in the same thread.
Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP

Jim:
You're right , I'm just looking to pick a fight now.
Thanks for your interest and for providing the information. Would you
believe that I have almost everything you recommended ? Of course I did not
when I had the most problems. I'm still very much a beginner at this
computer thing and not learning very rapidly. I'm the first to admit that.
I'll have to try that HOSTS suggestion.
Hope I haven't burned too many bridges here tonight, but some things did
need saying and no one else seems to have the inclination to do so. That's
always been my biggest fault, I'm easily baited & I do tend to tilt at
windmills. I do appreciate your reply and was surprised to see something
positive out of this mess.

"Jim Byrd" wrote in message
...
Hi Mad Max - While I strongly suspect that you're trolling now, (even if
it
didn't start that way), I'll take one shot (only) at trying to provide
some
useful information which might help prevent this from occuring in the
futu

If you want to take steps to defend your machine, there are a number of
things which need to be considered. I would suggest the following:

The minimum necessary to start with are a good hardware or software
firewall
and an AV.

For the general hijack case, the best way to start is to get Ad-Aware 6.0,
Build 181 or later, he http://www.lavasoftusa.com/support/download/.
Update and run this regularly to get rid of most "spyware/hijackware" on
your machine. If it has to fix things, be sure to re-boot and rerun
AdAware again and repeat this cycle until you get a clean scan. The
reason
is that it may have to remove things which are currently "in use" before
it
can then clean up others.

Another excellent program for this purpose is SpyBot Search and Destroy
available he http://security.kolla.de/ SpyBot Support Forum he
http://www.net-integration.net/cgi-b...ikonboard.cgi. I recommend
using both normally. After fixing things with SpyBot S&D, be sure to
re-boot and rerun SpyBot again and repeat this cycle until you get a clean
"no red" scan. The reason is that SpyBot sometimes has to remove things
which are currently "in use" before it can then clean up others.


Note that sometimes you need to make a judgement call about what these
programs report as spyware. See here, for example:
http://www.imilly.com/alexa.htm


Next, courtesy of Mike Burgess:

"--Recommended Minimum Security Settings--

Close all instances of IE and OE
Control Panel | Internet Options

Click on the "Security" tab
Highlight the "Internet" icon, click "Custom Level"

1) "Download signed ActiveX scripts" = Prompt
2) "Download unsigned ActiveX scripts = Disable
3) "Initialize and script ActiveX not marked as safe" = Disable
4) "Installation of Desktop items" = Prompt
5) "Launching programs and files in a IFRAME" = Prompt

Click on the "Content" tab
Click the "Publishers" button

Highlight and click "Remove" any unknowns, click Ok

Click on the "Advanced" tab
Uncheck: "Install on demand (other)", click Apply\Ok

Prevent your "HomePage" setting from being Hijacked
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/ietips.htm
_____________________________
Mike Burgess
Information isn't free if you can't find it!
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/"


Note the Publisher setting - this vector is often overlooked.


Then, from me:

You might want to consider installing the SpywareBlaster and SpywareGuard
here to help prevent this kind of thing from happening in the futu
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/spywareblaster.html (Prevents malware
Active
X installs) (BTW, SpyWare Blaster is not memory resident ... no CPU or
memory load - but keep it updated) The latest version as of this writing
will prevent installation or prevent the malware from running (887
parasites
as of this date) if it is already installed, and it provides information
and
fixit-links for a variety of parasites.
http://www.wilderssecurity.net/spywareguard.html (Monitors for attempts
to install malware) Both Very Highly Recommended.


Next, install and keep updated a good HOSTS file. It can help you avoid
most adware/malware. See he http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
(Be sure it's named/renamed HOSTS - all caps, no extension)


Lastly, with regards to cookies: Courtesy of Mel's Spyware Tools, he

http://homepage.cooketech.net/~cybermel/Mel's%20Spyware%20Tools%20and%20Ad%20Blockers.html

XML-Menu for IE6 - (http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~ehowes/main.htm, click on
IE6
Tools on website) "This package contains a full menu of custom Import XML
files that can be used to manipulate IE6's handling of cookies in the
Internet and Trusted zones (the Privacy tab controls only the Internet
zone). The files are divided into three sets: one "short list" of
recommended files, and two "advanced" lists containing a wide range of
possible Privacy configurations. The ReadMe covers the basics of using
custom XML Import files and details all the files that are available. A
.REG file that can be used to restore the default Privacy tab settings is
included."

This is the technique that I use and, while I do sometimes have to
override
on some sites that don't have a Privacy Policy in place, I've found it
almost infallible in stopping bad cookies (I use 1-e, BTW) FWIW, Eric
Howes site, above, is one of the very best on the net with regard to
anything having to do with security. Highly Recommended.

See if any of this helps


--
Please respond in the same thread.
Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP

YW, Mad Max - Glad you found at least some of it useful. I just noticed
that I forgot to update the SpywareBlaster count - it's actually up to 952
parasites defended against currently.

--
Please respond in the same thread.
Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP



In ,
Mad Max typed:
Jim:
You're right , I'm just looking to pick a fight now.
Thanks for your interest and for providing the information. Would you
believe that I have almost everything you recommended ? Of course I did
not
when I had the most problems. I'm still very much a beginner at this
computer thing and not learning very rapidly. I'm the first to admit that.
I'll have to try that HOSTS suggestion.
Hope I haven't burned too many bridges here tonight, but some things did
need saying and no one else seems to have the inclination to do so. That's
always been my biggest fault, I'm easily baited & I do tend to tilt at
windmills. I do appreciate your reply and was surprised to see something
positive out of this mess.