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  #1  
Old December 19th 06, 02:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
BoaterDave
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Default Just wonderin' :-)

Can those here confirm that this is a 'genuine' - bonio-fido' g - web site
with good, honest advice/links?

http://mvps.org/

TIA

David


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  #2  
Old December 19th 06, 02:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
DL
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Default Just wonderin' :-)

Fido's a dog
I dont believe MVP's would take to kindly to this label

Its a genuine site

"BoaterDave" wrote in message
...
Can those here confirm that this is a 'genuine' - bonio-fido' g - web

site
with good, honest advice/links?

http://mvps.org/

TIA

David




  #3  
Old December 19th 06, 04:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Kerry Brown
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Posts: 851
Default Just wonderin' :-)

Trolling over here now David? Are you going to warn us all about the dangers
of .bat files? There are a lot of them available for download from many
MVP's sites, along with .cmd. .reg, etc..

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2


"BoaterDave" wrote in message
...
Can those here confirm that this is a 'genuine' - bonio-fido' g - web
site with good, honest advice/links?

http://mvps.org/

TIA

David


  #4  
Old December 19th 06, 06:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
BoaterDave
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Default Just wonderin' :-)

Thanks for that, ...... DL (?) - can you advise how you know that?
I find it difficult to tell the good from the bad nowadays! :-(

At least Bonio's are a recommended and visible product (and loved by my dog!
g)

David
____________________________________
"DL" [email protected] wrote in message
...
Fido's a dog
I dont believe MVP's would take to kindly to this label

Its a genuine site

"BoaterDave" wrote in message
...
Can those here confirm that this is a 'genuine' - bonio-fido' g - web

site
with good, honest advice/links?

http://mvps.org/

TIA

David







  #5  
Old December 19th 06, 06:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Tom Willett
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Posts: 791
Default Just wonderin' :-)

Go troll elsewhere.
The MVPs know it's a valid site.
And so do countless others in the MS newsgroups who have used its resources
for years.
--
===
Tom Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
===
"BoaterDave" wrote in message
...
| Thanks for that, ...... DL (?) - can you advise how you know that?
| I find it difficult to tell the good from the bad nowadays! :-(
|
| At least Bonio's are a recommended and visible product (and loved by my
dog!
| g)
|
| David
| ____________________________________
| "DL" [email protected] wrote in message
| ...
| Fido's a dog
| I dont believe MVP's would take to kindly to this label
|
| Its a genuine site
|
| "BoaterDave" wrote in message
| ...
| Can those here confirm that this is a 'genuine' - bonio-fido' g - web
| site
| with good, honest advice/links?
|
| http://mvps.org/
|
| TIA
|
| David
|
|
|
|
|
|
|


  #6  
Old December 19th 06, 06:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
BoaterDave
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Default Just wonderin' :-)

Hello TechB - nice to see you here! :-)

I think you already know the danger of '.bat' files to us mere mortals.
My real, 'in-the-flesh', ex 'script kiddie' hacker turned PC consultant has
told
me so face-to-face. I'd rather trust him than you, I'm afraid.

David
__________________________________________________
"Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message
...
Trolling over here now David? Are you going to warn us all about the
dangers of .bat files? There are a lot of them available for download from
many MVP's sites, along with .cmd. .reg, etc..

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2



  #7  
Old December 19th 06, 07:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
BoaterDave
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Posts: 82
Default Just wonderin' :-)

Hello Tom Willett.

I read at the bottom of that web page a note which says "Microsoft is in no
way affiliated with, nor offers endorsement of, this site". I didn't read
that far before (earlier this year) and don't quite understand why Microsoft
does *not* endorse a web site set up by those who purport to be MVP's, who
are (I thought) rather special (and trusted) individuals.

Perhaps someone else will explain why that should be.

David
__________________________________________________ ___________
"Tom Willett" wrote in message
...
Go troll elsewhere.
The MVPs know it's a valid site.
And so do countless others in the MS newsgroups who have used its
resources
for years.
--
===
Tom Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
===
"BoaterDave" wrote in message
...
| Thanks for that, ...... DL (?) - can you advise how you know that?
| I find it difficult to tell the good from the bad nowadays! :-(
|
| At least Bonio's are a recommended and visible product (and loved by my
dog!
| g)
|
| David
| ____________________________________
| "DL" [email protected] wrote in message
| ...
| Fido's a dog
| I dont believe MVP's would take to kindly to this label
|
| Its a genuine site
|
| "BoaterDave" wrote in message
| ...
| Can those here confirm that this is a 'genuine' - bonio-fido' g -
web
| site
| with good, honest advice/links?
|
| http://mvps.org/
|
| TIA
|
| David
|
|
|
|
|
|
|




  #8  
Old December 19th 06, 10:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Shenan Stanley
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Posts: 10,523
Default Just wonderin' :-)

BoaterDave wrote:
I read at the bottom of that web page a note which says "Microsoft
is in no way affiliated with, nor offers endorsement of, this
site". I didn't read that far before (earlier this year) and don't
quite understand why Microsoft does *not* endorse a web site set up
by those who purport to be MVP's, who are (I thought) rather
special (and trusted) individuals.
Perhaps someone else will explain why that should be.


Liability.

Just because you trust someone doesn't mean you want to endorse and take
full responsibility for that individuals actions.
It's not like MVPs have any actual ties/responsibilities to Microsoft. We
do what we do because we want to. Microsoft decided to recognize this with
an award - most of us would continue to do what we do whether or not the
title MVP was there. After all - in order to get recognized - you had to do
the same thing for a while.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


  #9  
Old December 20th 06, 12:51 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
BoaterDave
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Posts: 82
Default Just wonderin' :-)

Thank you, Shenan. I understand.

Now that you are here, is it your considered view that the web site I
mentioned is safe to use?

David
_____________________________________________
"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message
...
BoaterDave wrote:
I read at the bottom of that web page a note which says "Microsoft
is in no way affiliated with, nor offers endorsement of, this
site". I didn't read that far before (earlier this year) and don't
quite understand why Microsoft does *not* endorse a web site set up
by those who purport to be MVP's, who are (I thought) rather
special (and trusted) individuals.
Perhaps someone else will explain why that should be.


Liability.

Just because you trust someone doesn't mean you want to endorse and take
full responsibility for that individuals actions.
It's not like MVPs have any actual ties/responsibilities to Microsoft. We
do what we do because we want to. Microsoft decided to recognize this
with an award - most of us would continue to do what we do whether or not
the title MVP was there. After all - in order to get recognized - you had
to do the same thing for a while.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html



  #10  
Old December 20th 06, 12:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
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Posts: 761
Default Just wonderin' :-)

"BoaterDave" wrote in message
...
Thank you, Shenan. I understand.

Now that you are here, is it your considered view that the web site I
mentioned is safe to use?



Yes, it's safe as in won't give you malware. For the most part the
information various MVPs post there is well tested. I can't vouch for every
single thing that's there because there's too much for me to read and keep
track of all of it. Fixes are always correct but may not be appropriate or
work in every situation because of the "other program or hardware"
complication. Advice is always knowledgeable but not everyone will always
agree with any particular piece. We are individuals and don't necessarily
agree with each other about everything. As with any advice, consider the
individual giving it and their reputation.

Note that many MVPs have their sites hosted elsewhere for various reasons.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail.


  #11  
Old December 20th 06, 03:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Shenan Stanley
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Posts: 10,523
Default Just wonderin' :-)

BoaterDave wrote:
Can those here confirm that this is a 'genuine' - bonio-fido' g -
web site with good, honest advice/links?

http://mvps.org/


snipped Rest

BoaterDave wrote:
Now that you are here, is it your considered view that the web site
I mentioned is safe to use?


Yes.

It is mostly links to a bunch of other sites - but at least those running
these sites have been helping people on these newsgroups for some time and
you see much of their advice repeated in some form or another every day
here. I trust the site itself and most of the advice on it - and the only
reason I say most is because I always check out any advice before taking it
in multiple places - no matter who it is from. I just like to understand
things as much as possible, it's not even a trust issue in that way.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


  #12  
Old December 20th 06, 04:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
BoaterDave
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Posts: 82
Default Thank you.

My thanks to both Frank and Shenan. I appreciate your comments.

I've spent hundreds of hours 'experimenting'over the last 12 months,
culminating with a discussion with a young man (mid 20's) who is employed in
a local computer shop. He is a self-confessed ex 'script kiddie' hacker who
has now reformed and spends most of his time helping others by repairing
PC's and ridding them of 'nasties'. He is real and not just a 'virtual'
entity. I believe what he tells me. Perhaps that is because he is getting
married soon and has introduced me to his fiance.

One thing he mentioned recently was '.bat' files. He was absolutely adamant
that, with only two exceptions, other such files indicate that a PC has been
compromised, often without the knowledge of the user. I have tried to
convince others of this, but none believe me.

I was concerned about the web site because of the utilisation of '.bat'
files
if one follows the use of a HOSTS file, he
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

Anyway, thanks for the 'thumbs-up'!

David
__________________________________________________ ___

"BoaterDave" wrote in message
...
Thank you, Shenan. I understand.

Now that you are here, is it your considered view that the web site I
mentioned is safe to use?

David
_____________________________________________
"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message
...
BoaterDave wrote:
I read at the bottom of that web page a note which says "Microsoft
is in no way affiliated with, nor offers endorsement of, this
site". I didn't read that far before (earlier this year) and don't
quite understand why Microsoft does *not* endorse a web site set up
by those who purport to be MVP's, who are (I thought) rather
special (and trusted) individuals.
Perhaps someone else will explain why that should be.


Liability.

Just because you trust someone doesn't mean you want to endorse and take
full responsibility for that individuals actions.
It's not like MVPs have any actual ties/responsibilities to Microsoft.
We do what we do because we want to. Microsoft decided to recognize this
with an award - most of us would continue to do what we do whether or not
the title MVP was there. After all - in order to get recognized - you
had to do the same thing for a while.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html





  #13  
Old December 20th 06, 04:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
gls858
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Posts: 212
Default Thank you.

BoaterDave wrote:
My thanks to both Frank and Shenan. I appreciate your comments.

I've spent hundreds of hours 'experimenting'over the last 12 months,
culminating with a discussion with a young man (mid 20's) who is employed in
a local computer shop. He is a self-confessed ex 'script kiddie' hacker who
has now reformed and spends most of his time helping others by repairing
PC's and ridding them of 'nasties'. He is real and not just a 'virtual'
entity. I believe what he tells me. Perhaps that is because he is getting
married soon and has introduced me to his fiance.

One thing he mentioned recently was '.bat' files. He was absolutely adamant
that, with only two exceptions, other such files indicate that a PC has been
compromised, often without the knowledge of the user. I have tried to
convince others of this, but none believe me.

I was concerned about the web site because of the utilisation of '.bat'
files
if one follows the use of a HOSTS file, he
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

Anyway, thanks for the 'thumbs-up'!

David
__________________________________________________ ___

"BoaterDave" wrote in message
...
Thank you, Shenan. I understand.

Now that you are here, is it your considered view that the web site I
mentioned is safe to use?

David
_____________________________________________
"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message
...
BoaterDave wrote:
I read at the bottom of that web page a note which says "Microsoft
is in no way affiliated with, nor offers endorsement of, this
site". I didn't read that far before (earlier this year) and don't
quite understand why Microsoft does *not* endorse a web site set up
by those who purport to be MVP's, who are (I thought) rather
special (and trusted) individuals.
Perhaps someone else will explain why that should be.
Liability.

Just because you trust someone doesn't mean you want to endorse and take
full responsibility for that individuals actions.
It's not like MVPs have any actual ties/responsibilities to Microsoft.
We do what we do because we want to. Microsoft decided to recognize this
with an award - most of us would continue to do what we do whether or not
the title MVP was there. After all - in order to get recognized - you
had to do the same thing for a while.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html




It's not the fact that's it's a .bat file that makes it good or bad
it's the commands that it contains. A .bat is simply a series of commands.
If you want to see the contents of a .bat file simply right click and
select edit. If you or your so called "script kiddie" don't understand the
commands contained in the batch file I would suggest you find a real
computer programmer to explain to you what the file is intended to do.
Batch files are commonly used to perform redundant tasks on a schedule.

gls858
  #14  
Old December 20th 06, 05:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Kerry Brown
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Posts: 851
Default Thank you.

BoaterDave is a troll. He has been told that .bat files are not inherently
more harmful than any other executable file many times in other newsgroups.
He ignores everyone's advice and attempts to get unsuspecting computer users
to scan their computers for .bat files and delete any they find. He has
caused a lot of unnecessary worry by telling people they are infected and
urging them to do many different anti-malware scans. When the scans come up
empty he insists they are still infected and points them to yet another
online scanning engine. At best he is a very sophistcated troll. At worst he
is a very paranoid person who needs professional help. In any case he can be
safely ignored.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2


"gls858" wrote in message
...

It's not the fact that's it's a .bat file that makes it good or bad
it's the commands that it contains. A .bat is simply a series of commands.
If you want to see the contents of a .bat file simply right click and
select edit. If you or your so called "script kiddie" don't understand the
commands contained in the batch file I would suggest you find a real
computer programmer to explain to you what the file is intended to do.
Batch files are commonly used to perform redundant tasks on a schedule.

gls858


  #15  
Old December 20th 06, 05:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
BoaterDave
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Posts: 82
Default Thank you.


"gls858" wrote in message
...
BoaterDave wrote:
My thanks to both Frank and Shenan. I appreciate your comments.

I've spent hundreds of hours 'experimenting'over the last 12 months,
culminating with a discussion with a young man (mid 20's) who is employed
in
a local computer shop. He is a self-confessed ex 'script kiddie' hacker
who
has now reformed and spends most of his time helping others by repairing
PC's and ridding them of 'nasties'. He is real and not just a 'virtual'
entity. I believe what he tells me. Perhaps that is because he is getting
married soon and has introduced me to his fiance.

One thing he mentioned recently was '.bat' files. He was absolutely
adamant
that, with only two exceptions, other such files indicate that a PC has
been
compromised, often without the knowledge of the user. I have tried to
convince others of this, but none believe me.

I was concerned about the web site because of the utilisation of '.bat'
files
if one follows the use of a HOSTS file, he
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

Anyway, thanks for the 'thumbs-up'!

David
__________________________________________________ ___

"BoaterDave" wrote in message
...
Thank you, Shenan. I understand.

Now that you are here, is it your considered view that the web site I
mentioned is safe to use?

David
_____________________________________________
"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message
...
BoaterDave wrote:
I read at the bottom of that web page a note which says "Microsoft
is in no way affiliated with, nor offers endorsement of, this
site". I didn't read that far before (earlier this year) and don't
quite understand why Microsoft does *not* endorse a web site set up
by those who purport to be MVP's, who are (I thought) rather
special (and trusted) individuals.
Perhaps someone else will explain why that should be.
Liability.

Just because you trust someone doesn't mean you want to endorse and
take full responsibility for that individuals actions.
It's not like MVPs have any actual ties/responsibilities to Microsoft.
We do what we do because we want to. Microsoft decided to recognize
this with an award - most of us would continue to do what we do whether
or not the title MVP was there. After all - in order to get
recognized - you had to do the same thing for a while.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html




It's not the fact that's it's a .bat file that makes it good or bad
it's the commands that it contains. A .bat is simply a series of commands.
If you want to see the contents of a .bat file simply right click and
select edit. If you or your so called "script kiddie" don't understand the
commands contained in the batch file I would suggest you find a real
computer programmer to explain to you what the file is intended to do.
Batch files are commonly used to perform redundant tasks on a schedule.

gls858



 




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